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[bill cobbett]

halil

wait .... still Turkey didn't use her private firms in Europe to invest in South....time will come for it as well. Than what u gonna do it for ....how can u kick out German, Uk, Holland or france based Turkish companies from EU.....

Firstly I think that you are anti unification and not the real deal that you say you are.

Secondly we have never said that if Turkey is in the EU we would not allow her to do business in Cyprus or that we would get in her way of becoming an EU member State.

However, we have also stated and the EU have clearly stated that Turkey needs to normalise her position with Cyprus and that for us as EU members are now saying we want a United Democratic Cyprus with all freedoms allowed for other EU citizens by other EU States.

We want no guarantees because we are grown up now and we want no Turkish or British troops on the Island for the long hall.

On an enlightened point of view even BBF represents separation and not true unity. I doubt you will ever understand that point.

Yep agreed Halil is def a Partitionist, some one who is very poor at hiding his true face.

As this BBF is again mentioned, may remind all that this was and is the Major Compromise, an unheard of anywhere in the World compromise, and leaving aside for a mo that it's a compromise too far in the eyes of many.... it remains and is repeated time and time again....

It's such a huge compromise that should have been seen as the Only Compromise .... so it ain't big business or small business, and would remind all of the Big Business Interests in such huge projects as the re-building of Varosha... that stands in the way of a settlement, it's..

Turkey and its Allies, the Turkish Army and the likes of Greedy Confederal Partitionists like Halil.

[cymart]

Well if Sotos is interested,I have three passports,one of which is Cypriot and one of which is from a non-E.U. state(although surrounded by them!)-the main thing which stops me from living there is because it's damn cold and miserable for half the year,as well as expensive(not to say that Cyprus is cheap nowadays either!)
But as Cyprus is an E.U. state I think this is not an important issue because everyone has freedom of movement.
As Downer,the U.N. representative has said on more than one occasion,the overall benefits of a solution for the majority of Cypriots will be enormous-the postings above about investment opportunities in Turkey for Cypriots and v.v. are just one example,while the negative aspects of a non-solution will be a tragedy for Cyprus,not only now but also in the future.....
Despite all the rhetoric from some hotheads and rejectionists on this forum,who don't want the status-quo to change because of ideological reasons,as well as what they perceive as their own personal interests,there are fortunately others who can see the advantages of compromise!
Turkey keeps insisting it wants a solution,Greece would love to be rid of the Cyprus problem,especially with all the other difficulties it is facing and the question is whether people on the island are prepared to take the risk of making the leap forward,or prefer the devil-they know by just drifting towards final partition,which is where they have virtually arrived already?
I wish I could agree with the posting that all the Greek-Cypriots would jump at such a chance because this is not what my daily experiences here have taught me,especially since 2004.
Rather than waste any more time in the current charade between Christophias and Eroglu,it is obviously the only way out for all parties to meet and lay all their cards on the table and thrash out the best compromise they can.Whoever refuses to attend or refuses to compromise will then shoulder the blame-invite the E.U. as well because they are involved with Cyprus being a member state,and Turkey,Greece and Britain and let the U.N. chair the process.I think this is where things are heading anyway and I cannot see any better or more feasible alternative??
Let's all try to see outside the box for once.....

[Sotos]

In a few words: You are not Cypriot. Neither is Downer. What we want is not the status quo. What we want is Liberation. All Turkish troops out of Cyprus, all settlers out of Cyprus, all refugees back to their homes, freedom to our whole island. This is what solution means. Nothing else is a solution and that is why we will accept nothing else.

[Paphitis]

Well if Sotos is interested,I have three passports,one of which is Cypriot and one of which is from a non-E.U. state(although surrounded by them!)-the main thing which stops me from living there is because it's damn cold and miserable for half the year,as well as expensive(not to say that Cyprus is cheap nowadays either!)
But as Cyprus is an E.U. state I think this is not an important issue because everyone has freedom of movement.
As Downer,the U.N. representative has said on more than one occasion,the overall benefits of a solution for the majority of Cypriots will be enormous-the postings above about investment opportunities in Turkey for Cypriots and v.v. are just one example,while the negative aspects of a non-solution will be a tragedy for Cyprus,not only now but also in the future.....
Despite all the rhetoric from some hotheads and rejectionists on this forum,who don't want the status-quo to change because of ideological reasons,as well as what they perceive as their own personal interests,there are fortunately others who can see the advantages of compromise!
Turkey keeps insisting it wants a solution,Greece would love to be rid of the Cyprus problem,especially with all the other difficulties it is facing and the question is whether people on the island are prepared to take the risk of making the leap forward,or prefer the devil-they know by just drifting towards final partition,which is where they have virtually arrived already?
I wish I could agree with the posting that all the Greek-Cypriots would jump at such a chance because this is not what my daily experiences here have taught me,especially since 2004.
Rather than waste any more time in the current charade between Christophias and Eroglu,it is obviously the only way out for all parties to meet and lay all their cards on the table and thrash out the best compromise they can.Whoever refuses to attend or refuses to compromise will then shoulder the blame-invite the E.U. as well because they are involved with Cyprus being a member state,and Turkey,Greece and Britain and let the U.N. chair the process.I think this is where things are heading anyway and I cannot see any better or more feasible alternative??
Let's all try to see outside the box for once.....

Alexander Downer, being an integral part of arguably the most productive, popular, and successful Australian Governments has never been known to make any sweeping statements such as "it will be a tragedy if there is no solution" or "this is the last chance for a settlement" or "Cyprus will be permanently partitioned if the talks fail".

He is far too clever to play "village politics" on par with Christofias and any other "trnc" shithead!

This guy is a professional, and a very cool and collected diplomat who will only act within certain guidelines. He was a former Australian Foreign Affairs Minister and not some Greek, GC or TC gypsy village idiot 'politicians' you guys have there at the moment!

[Sotos]

Well if Sotos is interested,I have three passports,one of which is Cypriot and one of which is from a non-E.U. state(although surrounded by them!)-the main thing which stops me from living there is because it's damn cold and miserable for half the year,as well as expensive(not to say that Cyprus is cheap nowadays either!)
But as Cyprus is an E.U. state I think this is not an important issue because everyone has freedom of movement.
As Downer,the U.N. representative has said on more than one occasion,the overall benefits of a solution for the majority of Cypriots will be enormous-the postings above about investment opportunities in Turkey for Cypriots and v.v. are just one example,while the negative aspects of a non-solution will be a tragedy for Cyprus,not only now but also in the future.....
Despite all the rhetoric from some hotheads and rejectionists on this forum,who don't want the status-quo to change because of ideological reasons,as well as what they perceive as their own personal interests,there are fortunately others who can see the advantages of compromise!
Turkey keeps insisting it wants a solution,Greece would love to be rid of the Cyprus problem,especially with all the other difficulties it is facing and the question is whether people on the island are prepared to take the risk of making the leap forward,or prefer the devil-they know by just drifting towards final partition,which is where they have virtually arrived already?
I wish I could agree with the posting that all the Greek-Cypriots would jump at such a chance because this is not what my daily experiences here have taught me,especially since 2004.
Rather than waste any more time in the current charade between Christophias and Eroglu,it is obviously the only way out for all parties to meet and lay all their cards on the table and thrash out the best compromise they can.Whoever refuses to attend or refuses to compromise will then shoulder the blame-invite the E.U. as well because they are involved with Cyprus being a member state,and Turkey,Greece and Britain and let the U.N. chair the process.I think this is where things are heading anyway and I cannot see any better or more feasible alternative??
Let's all try to see outside the box for once.....

Alexander Downer, being an integral part of arguably the most productive, popular, and successful Australian Governments has never been known to make any sweeping statements such as "it will be a tragedy if there is no solution" or "this is the last chance for a settlement" or "Cyprus will be permanently partitioned if the talks fail".

He is far too clever to play "village politics" on par with Christofias and any other "trnc" shithead!

This guy is a professional, and a very cool and collected diplomat who will only act within certain guidelines. He was a former Australian Foreign Affairs Minister and not some Greek, GC or TC gypsy village idiot 'politicians' you guys have there at the moment!

What is certain is that he doesn't care about Cyprus and the guidelines he follows are written by the Americans.

[Paphitis]

Well if Sotos is interested,I have three passports,one of which is Cypriot and one of which is from a non-E.U. state(although surrounded by them!)-the main thing which stops me from living there is because it's damn cold and miserable for half the year,as well as expensive(not to say that Cyprus is cheap nowadays either!)
But as Cyprus is an E.U. state I think this is not an important issue because everyone has freedom of movement.
As Downer,the U.N. representative has said on more than one occasion,the overall benefits of a solution for the majority of Cypriots will be enormous-the postings above about investment opportunities in Turkey for Cypriots and v.v. are just one example,while the negative aspects of a non-solution will be a tragedy for Cyprus,not only now but also in the future.....
Despite all the rhetoric from some hotheads and rejectionists on this forum,who don't want the status-quo to change because of ideological reasons,as well as what they perceive as their own personal interests,there are fortunately others who can see the advantages of compromise!
Turkey keeps insisting it wants a solution,Greece would love to be rid of the Cyprus problem,especially with all the other difficulties it is facing and the question is whether people on the island are prepared to take the risk of making the leap forward,or prefer the devil-they know by just drifting towards final partition,which is where they have virtually arrived already?
I wish I could agree with the posting that all the Greek-Cypriots would jump at such a chance because this is not what my daily experiences here have taught me,especially since 2004.
Rather than waste any more time in the current charade between Christophias and Eroglu,it is obviously the only way out for all parties to meet and lay all their cards on the table and thrash out the best compromise they can.Whoever refuses to attend or refuses to compromise will then shoulder the blame-invite the E.U. as well because they are involved with Cyprus being a member state,and Turkey,Greece and Britain and let the U.N. chair the process.I think this is where things are heading anyway and I cannot see any better or more feasible alternative??
Let's all try to see outside the box for once.....

Alexander Downer, being an integral part of arguably the most productive, popular, and successful Australian Governments has never been known to make any sweeping statements such as "it will be a tragedy if there is no solution" or "this is the last chance for a settlement" or "Cyprus will be permanently partitioned if the talks fail".

He is far too clever to play "village politics" on par with Christofias and any other "trnc" shithead!

This guy is a professional, and a very cool and collected diplomat who will only act within certain guidelines. He was a former Australian Foreign Affairs Minister and not some Greek, GC or TC gypsy village idiot 'politicians' you guys have there at the moment!

What is certain is that he doesn't care about Cyprus and the guidelines he follows are written by the Americans.

Did he tell you this?

There has always been a close relationship between Australia and the US, but rest assured that the guidelines he follows are from the SG of the UN, and not Australia or the US.

His administration has always had Cypriot involvement in Australia. You might want to consider the fact that he has some advisers on Cyprus, mostly academics, 2 of which are known to me. One is a GC from Rizokarpaso, another is a Chinese born Russian academic who are always pushing for a workable constitution in line with EU norms. AD however, keeps his cards close to his chest, probably because there is nothing he can do other than facilitate the talks as the UN representative!

Then there is Arthur Sinodinos, who was arguably the most powerful person within the Howard Administration, and a very close ally and friend to AD.

[BirKibrisli]

A real solution is one that will demolish that illegal airport, not legitimize it! A real solution is one which solves the problems and serves the interests of the Cypriot people, not one that serves the interests of the Turkish invaders!

Cypriot people,Sotos??? I thought Cyprus was a Greek island! If you are right then there are NO Cypriot people,only Greeks and Turks! make up your mind,are you living on a Greek island with fellow Greeks,or in Cyprus with fellow Cypriots? You can't have it both ways...

[BirKibrisli]

So according to Sotos,the government here supports my personal interests and not those of the majority?I suppose I should be flattered that I have become so important........but leaving those weird allegations aside,it is unfortunately true that the majority of Greek-Cypriots are so fed-up with the way politicians behave that they no longer believe what they say!People here nowadays mostly care about their own interests and after seeing so many years of fruitless efforts to find a solution they have started to believe that it is impossible to find one.....with most of the media also against changing the status quo,the church leadership and virtually everyone under 40 who has never known Cyprus as being any different from the way it is now,why should they want to change it?The only people who do are mostly older refugeees who still hold-out some hope that they might be able to return to Varosha,Morphou etc. if there is a deal and a few others with vision who dare to believe in something different.....
Whether we like it or not,time solves situations in its own way and changing things involves risks which nobody here wants to take,especially when they have a relatively comfortable lifestyle the way things are now!I cannot believe that Christophias will be prepared to shoulder the responsibility either when the crunch comes during the coming months?

Are you even Cypriot?

He must be Greek,Sotos! To the barricades!

[BirKibrisli]

So according to Sotos,the government here supports my personal interests and not those of the majority?I suppose I should be flattered that I have become so important........but leaving those weird allegations aside,it is unfortunately true that the majority of Greek-Cypriots are so fed-up with the way politicians behave that they no longer believe what they say!People here nowadays mostly care about their own interests and after seeing so many years of fruitless efforts to find a solution they have started to believe that it is impossible to find one.....with most of the media also against changing the status quo,the church leadership and virtually everyone under 40 who has never known Cyprus as being any different from the way it is now,why should they want to change it?The only people who do are mostly older refugeees who still hold-out some hope that they might be able to return to Varosha,Morphou etc. if there is a deal and a few others with vision who dare to believe in something different.....
Whether we like it or not,time solves situations in its own way and changing things involves risks which nobody here wants to take,especially when they have a relatively comfortable lifestyle the way things are now!I cannot believe that Christophias will be prepared to shoulder the responsibility either when the crunch comes during the coming months?

Are you even Cypriot?

No he is not, but he is married to one.

Cymart, it is obvious people will do whats in their interest. You tell me one person who doesn't. You yourself are thinking of moving to another country if I remember correctly. Isn't that a self interest action? So why are you knocking people for wanting whats best for them.

people vote for political parties, not necessarily that they agree with everything they say, but where it suits them they will.

A settlement has not been reached for the simple reason, the Turks are making ridiculous demands that are totally unacceptable to the MAJORITY of the GCs. The Gc side has shown compromise (most of which I disagree with), but the Turks won't move. So, it is not business people pulling the strings, but Ankara.

You as a moderate, need a better sense of balance, as you mainly have only put downs for the GC side to give.

There has been no settlement because the fanatical/chauvenistic GCs still believe Cyprus to be a Greek island,and still have the spirit of Enosis in their veins...To purge the TCs off Cyprus and make Cyprus a Greek island! When you realise this will never happen,and come to your senses,there will be a solution...Albeit a two state solution,it is too late for anything else...

[Paphitis]

So according to Sotos,the government here supports my personal interests and not those of the majority?I suppose I should be flattered that I have become so important........but leaving those weird allegations aside,it is unfortunately true that the majority of Greek-Cypriots are so fed-up with the way politicians behave that they no longer believe what they say!People here nowadays mostly care about their own interests and after seeing so many years of fruitless efforts to find a solution they have started to believe that it is impossible to find one.....with most of the media also against changing the status quo,the church leadership and virtually everyone under 40 who has never known Cyprus as being any different from the way it is now,why should they want to change it?The only people who do are mostly older refugeees who still hold-out some hope that they might be able to return to Varosha,Morphou etc. if there is a deal and a few others with vision who dare to believe in something different.....
Whether we like it or not,time solves situations in its own way and changing things involves risks which nobody here wants to take,especially when they have a relatively comfortable lifestyle the way things are now!I cannot believe that Christophias will be prepared to shoulder the responsibility either when the crunch comes during the coming months?

Are you even Cypriot?

No he is not, but he is married to one.

Cymart, it is obvious people will do whats in their interest. You tell me one person who doesn't. You yourself are thinking of moving to another country if I remember correctly. Isn't that a self interest action? So why are you knocking people for wanting whats best for them.

people vote for political parties, not necessarily that they agree with everything they say, but where it suits them they will.

A settlement has not been reached for the simple reason, the Turks are making ridiculous demands that are totally unacceptable to the MAJORITY of the GCs. The Gc side has shown compromise (most of which I disagree with), but the Turks won't move. So, it is not business people pulling the strings, but Ankara.

You as a moderate, need a better sense of balance, as you mainly have only put downs for the GC side to give.

There has been no settlement because the fanatical/chauvenistic GCs still believe Cyprus to be a Greek island,and still have the spirit of Enosis in their veins...To purge the TCs off Cyprus and make Cyprus a Greek island! When you realise this will never happen,and come to your senses,there will be a solution...Albeit a two state solution,it is too late for anything else...

Stick it up your bum!

There will not be a 2 State Solution because we will never vote for such a thing unless this 2 State Solution is an Australian or German style Federal System based on EU principles and the EU and UN Charter on HR!

GCs will never vote for anything less than that!