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[Hermes]

So, I suppose they will now reconsider the position of the EU members who chose to rain bombs in Libya with or without any guarantee rights!

How on earth you're trying to connect a Council of Europe report on the validity of Cyprus' Treaty of Guarantee with a UN and Nato campaign in Libya is beyond me. How about sticking to the issue at hand instead of going off into flights of fancy?

[bigOz]

Yes "mate" They are the same mthrfckrs most of whom are from the EU countries! Correct?

[bigOz]

How it's connected to Cyprus? Let me put it this way to all the thick-heads! If there are no guarantor powers in question (as there were none in Libya), who is to stop Turkey from raining bombs on your heads, at the first sign of political restlessness and internal trouble? Because it conflicts with their economic and political interests in the area. Something what the British and French did WITHOUT waiting for the NATO to take any action!

[antifon]

So, I suppose they will now reconsider the position of the EU members who chose to rain bombs in Libya with or without any guarantee rights!

How on earth you're trying to connect a Council of Europe report on the validity of Cyprus' Treaty of Guarantee with a UN and Nato campaign in Libya is beyond me. How about sticking to the issue at hand instead of going off into flights of fancy?

Statements such as the above by bigOz simply attest to the HUGE GAP in thinking between European and neo-Ottoman ones.

Via Turkey's EU bid such thinking is vastly better understood by the EU. A good development for all people on the side of justice and human rights with grievances against Turkey, such as Kurds, gCypriots, etc.



It is only fitting that the said Council of Europe report came out one day after Erdogan revealed a bit more of his neo-Ottoman thinking in front of at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, or PACE just yesterday.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-04-13

[bill cobbett]

Anyway, leaving aside the kindergarden attempt at distraction and to come back to the matter of the thread...

May be of further interest that the report is from the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, and, reading the CoE web-site, that during its investigations the committee visited CY and also accepted representations from a delegation from the Occupied Areas.

[Hermes]

How it's connected to Cyprus? Let me put it this way to all the thick-heads! If there are no guarantor powers in question (as there were none in Libya), who is to stop Turkey from raining bombs on your heads, at the first sign of political restlessness and internal trouble?

Joker alert! The Treaty of Guarantee is needed to protect G/Cs from being bombed, invaded and occupied by Turkey! Now I've heard it all...

Back to the real world. I can't help feeling that this is a significant report which makes it perfectly clear that the Treaty of Guarantee under which Turkey claims it invaded the island will have no place in a post-solution Cyprus. In fact, the report goes further than this and officially states that Turkey abused the Treaty in order to occupy and partition the island and that Turkey's actions have, as a result, effectively discredited the Treaty. Something G/Cs have been arguing for years.

After this report there is no point in discussing any future Turkish involvement in a security "guarantee" for the island. Security and human rights in Cyprus will be guaranteed by the EU and certainly not by Turkey. I hope Ankara and the T/Cs are paying attention because the CoE just trampled all over their red line.

[halil]

IF THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS GIVES THE CHANCE TO EU ......they have no words to say about TC'S....upto now they didn't get our WILL...........

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE TURKISH CYPRIOTS factor ................... We are also holding the key in our hands..........

[bill cobbett]

IF THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS GIVES THE CHANCE TO EU ......they have no words to say about TC'S....upto now they didn't get our WILL...........

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE TURKISH CYPRIOTS factor ................... We are also holding the key in our hands..........

Oh Gawd... another one...

Look mate we don't want to even think about what you're holding in your hand...

The thread's about the resolution following legal advice from a committee of PACE of the Council Of Europe that The Treaty of Guarantee is null and void and also questioning the legality of the GB "sovereign" bases.

IT"S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EU.... let me say again TURKEY IS IN THE COUNCIL OF EUROPE.

[Jerry]

The treaty of guarantee (it does not deserve capitals) was never legal in the first place. A "treaty" that gave the unilateral right of one State to interfere through the use of force in an independent sovereign state is simply a contradiction. How was Cyprus ever independent when UK, Greece and Turkey had a so-called "legal" right to use force on the island, it's all a load of bollocks, pity it's taken so long for PACE to figure this out.

[boulio]

may i ask cypriots from both communities what they would say if cyprus would enter Nato since we see the treaty of guarantee is worthless.Also one of the two sba become a euro/nato base(limited in size to current)with greek/turkish and other nato troops.

Would that calm the t/c fears?

Basically t/c partitcipation in there own defence as well.