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[Pax]

Poverty and inequality leads to social breakdown and "extremism." The problems of Europe are not ones of multiculturalism (whatever that is), they are about massive inequality, mass unemployment, and a massive distribution of wealth from the poor to the rich. And the nationality, ethnicity, religion or 'race' of the poor on the one hand and the rich on the other hand is irrelevant. Multiculturalism is not the problem.

Mass immigration creates all of the above.

No. Large scale immigration tends to be of people who, compared with the resident population, are relatively poor (even if often well skilled). Therefore they tend to enter the low paid end of the labour market, and they also tend to work in casual insecure employment. By definition these immigrants are not in positions of power. Immigrants do not create unemployment, they do not redistribute wealth, it is not immigrants who create inequality.

In England who is it that has sacked hundreds of thousands of people - nurses, teachers, bus drivers, social workers, etc ? Immigrants ? No. White privileged multi-millionaire Etonians of the likes of David Cameron and George Osborne, or other massively wealthy people like Nick Clegg and Tony Blair.

Cypriots are familiar with the history of "divide and rule". Immigrants don't divide and they don't rule. The rich and powerful are the ones who divide societies and they come in all sorts of colours, creeds and languages.

[NEVERSAYNEVER]

The most significant aspect is the religious indoctrination that accompanies poor immigrants from third world nations who refuse to abandon or demote their medieval beliefs and way of life , instead expecting the natives to come down to their abysmally dated ideals.

[ZoC]

Kuru has a point.
I used to believe what Pax said, after a vast amount of consideration and applying all the variables I changed my opinion...
too numerous to mention with the end result being 'politically' incorrect.

tell that to, say, the irish who are emigrating from their bankrupt state in droves, due to... wait for it... massive inequality, mass unemployment, and a massive distribution of wealth from the poor to the rich.

[Pax]

The most significant aspect is the religious indoctrination that accompanies poor immigrants from third world nations who refuse to abandon or demote their medieval beliefs and way of life , instead expecting the natives to come down to their abysmally dated ideals.

Unlike the first world religious ideas of Tony Blair and George Bush who both claimed that god told them to invade Iraq (thereby creating tens of thousands of refugees migrating to Europe). Or the first world religious ideas of the german pope who prohibits the use of condoms as a sin against god (how does an ex-nazi youth know what the fuck god thinks about condoms ? When it comes to ignorant, bigoted medieval religious ideas the first world is a world leader and needs no lessons from third world immigrants.

[Cap]

It's about assimilation.
Religion and race are the defining factors. (excuse my bluntness)
If an immigrant population group is going to survive in their adopted countries they need to have an intelligence high enough to merge in with the average IQ of the indigenous population. (no, intelligence is not entirely relative to environment) as our sub saharan African friends have clearly demonstrated through the centuries. Its for the most part genetic.
As far as religion is concerned I think Milti hit the nail on the head in the above post.

When immigrant populations reach a certain percentage of the local population in an adopted country, their localized societies begin to resemble the very societies they originally fled from.
The said 'original' societies are naturally a product of the their intellect and indoctrinated religious beliefs which correlate with the societies they create in their adopted countries.

[Pax]

The Muslim population of Europe, according to Pew is about 5.2%. This is only about 2.4% of the total world Muslim population. http://pewforum.org/PublicationPage.aspx?id=1497


Most of these Muslim populations are not immigrant populations. They are indigenous populations, especially in the Balkans, but also in France. Even where Muslim communities are not principally indigenous, the majority are still national having been resident for two, three, four and more generations; therefore not immigrant.

In the UK it is 2.7% of total population, in France about 6%, and in Germany about 5%. In Cyprus it is 22.7% of the population.

[Cap]

The Muslim population of Europe, according to Pew is about 5.2%. This is only about 2.4% of the total world Muslim population.

At only 5%, and look what a stir they've already created.
One only has to look at the teachings of this 'religion' to begin to understand.

[Piratis]

The problem is that the countries of those immigrants have been exploited for centuries by foreigners (either directly or indirectly by supporting certain regimes) and this is what forces them to immigrate in an effort to find a better life.

The how religious these people are is again directly related to the fact that they are poor and mostly uneducated. That is again not their fault.

At the same time I recognize that certain aspects of some cultures might not be very compatible with each other and that if you choose to immigrate to another country you should make an effort to fit in the host country rather than expecting the host country to change to fit you.

The solution to this is for the powerful western countries to stop exploiting the poor ones, but on the contrary to help them develop. This way people will be able to have a decent life in their own countries and they will not be forced to immigrate.

Here is an interesting video:

[Pax]

It's about assimilation.
Religion and race are the defining factors. (excuse my bluntness)
If an immigrant population group is going to survive in their adopted countries they need to have an intelligence high enough to merge in with the average IQ of the indigenous population. (no, intelligence is not entirely relative to environment) as our sub saharan African friends have clearly demonstrated through the centuries. Its for the most part genetic.
As far as religion is concerned I think Milti hit the nail on the head in the above post.

When immigrant populations reach a certain percentage of the local population in an adopted country, their localized societies begin to resemble the very societies they originally fled from.
The said 'original' societies are naturally a product of the their intellect and indoctrinated religious beliefs which correlate with the societies they create in their adopted countries.

Assimilate into what ? If you ask ten people to say what the characteristics of British society are you'll get at least ten different answers. Same for Germany, same for France, same for Cyprus.

[Piratis]

In Cyprus it is 22.7% of the population.

I assume in that number you include the Turkish Settlers brought to Cyprus by Turkey with the intent to change the demographics on our island. What Turkey has commited is a crime, and she is responsible to repatriate her own citizens in a way that will respect the rights of the native Cypriot people, without harming the Settlers (who are also the victims of Turkish expansionism).