ancient indian...
modern indian...
egyptians - anyone see the connection?
by bill cobbett » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:34 am
ZoC wrote:kurupetos wrote:
brilliant.
Is it true that he was Phoenician?.... seriously just a question.
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by yialousa1971 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:59 am
ZoC wrote:kurupetos wrote:Give us an ancient/modern Cypriot equivalent.don't tempt me...
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by yialousa1971 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:17 pm
Zeno of Citium (The Stoic) (c. 333- c. 262 BC) was a Hellenistic philosopher from Citium, Cyprus (maybe of Phoenician origin).
He had his head naturally bent on one side, as Timotheus, the Athenian, tells us, in his work on Lives. And Apollonius, the Tyrian, says that he was thin, very tall, of a dark complexion; in reference to which some one once called him an Egyptian Clematis, as Chrysippus relates in the first yolume of his Proverbs: he had fat, flabby, weak legs.Diogenes Laertius
Zeno was the son of Mnaseas, a merchant and a student of Crates of Thebes. Zeno was, himself, a merchant until the age of 42, when he started a school. According to a Legend on one trip Zeno was shipwrecked and he somehow ended up in Athens. He met philosophers there and he fell in love with philosophy. He soon began studying under the philosophers such as Crates, Stilpon, Xenocrates, and others. When he asked a man working at a bookstore where men like Socrates could be found the man pointed at somebody walking down the street and said, "follow him". It was Crates, Zeno's first instructor. What we know of him mainly comes from later philosophers. It is known, however, that Zeno did not begin teaching on his own until late in life. Named for his teaching platform, the Painted Porch ("stoa" is Greek for "porch"), his teachings were the beginning of Stoicism. None of Zeno's works (more than 20 books) have survived; he is believed to have taught that tranquility can best be reached via indifference to pleasure and pain. Stoicism was the first philosophy in history to morally condemn slavery. Emancipation of slave makes their freedom of thought public, maybe also because Zeno was a slave for some time. Stoicism was important as it was adopted by many important Romans (Cicero, Seneca, Josephus, Marc Aurel...).
And he died in the following manner. When he was going out of his school, he tripped, and broke one of his toes; and striking the ground with his hand, he repeated the line out of the Niobe: I come: why call me so? And immediately he strangled himself, and so he died.Diogenes Laertius
Poikile Stoa Greek for "Painted Porch". This is the porch were Zeno of Citium used to teach, toward the beginning of the 3rd century BC, the first principles of what would become known as a result as "Stoic" philosophy, from the Greek word "stoa", meaning "porch". It included paintings of Micon of the Battle of Marathon
Some of Zeno's opinions:
The cosmos is a divine being with a soul.
Human beings are to live according to nature.
Man must control his emotions to remain indifferent to suffering.
Slavery violates natural law. It exists only where civil law and international custom fail to conform to natural law.
By natural law human beings are rational and thus have a power of self-government. Hence no human being should be governed by an external master.
Man-made Civil law and customary law ought to be reformed to be put in conformity with natural law. That is our moral duty.
The sun is a sphere of fire and the moon shines from reflected light.
Steel your sensibilities, so that life shall hurt you as little as possible.
Philosophy is like an orchard, with Physics as the soil and the trees, Logic as the fence guarding the orchard, and Ethics as the fruit of the trees.
His father had a Greek name!
He had his head naturally bent on one side, as Timotheus, the Athenian, tells us, in his work on Lives. And Apollonius, the Tyrian, says that he was thin, very tall, of a dark complexion; in reference to which some one once called him an Egyptian Clematis, as Chrysippus relates in the first yolume of his Proverbs: he had fat, flabby, weak legs.Diogenes Laertius
Zeno was the son of Mnaseas, a merchant and a student of Crates of Thebes. Zeno was, himself, a merchant until the age of 42, when he started a school. According to a Legend on one trip Zeno was shipwrecked and he somehow ended up in Athens. He met philosophers there and he fell in love with philosophy. He soon began studying under the philosophers such as Crates, Stilpon, Xenocrates, and others. When he asked a man working at a bookstore where men like Socrates could be found the man pointed at somebody walking down the street and said, "follow him". It was Crates, Zeno's first instructor. What we know of him mainly comes from later philosophers. It is known, however, that Zeno did not begin teaching on his own until late in life. Named for his teaching platform, the Painted Porch ("stoa" is Greek for "porch"), his teachings were the beginning of Stoicism. None of Zeno's works (more than 20 books) have survived; he is believed to have taught that tranquility can best be reached via indifference to pleasure and pain. Stoicism was the first philosophy in history to morally condemn slavery. Emancipation of slave makes their freedom of thought public, maybe also because Zeno was a slave for some time. Stoicism was important as it was adopted by many important Romans (Cicero, Seneca, Josephus, Marc Aurel...).
And he died in the following manner. When he was going out of his school, he tripped, and broke one of his toes; and striking the ground with his hand, he repeated the line out of the Niobe: I come: why call me so? And immediately he strangled himself, and so he died.Diogenes Laertius
Poikile Stoa Greek for "Painted Porch". This is the porch were Zeno of Citium used to teach, toward the beginning of the 3rd century BC, the first principles of what would become known as a result as "Stoic" philosophy, from the Greek word "stoa", meaning "porch". It included paintings of Micon of the Battle of Marathon
Some of Zeno's opinions:
The cosmos is a divine being with a soul.
Human beings are to live according to nature.
Man must control his emotions to remain indifferent to suffering.
Slavery violates natural law. It exists only where civil law and international custom fail to conform to natural law.
By natural law human beings are rational and thus have a power of self-government. Hence no human being should be governed by an external master.
Man-made Civil law and customary law ought to be reformed to be put in conformity with natural law. That is our moral duty.
The sun is a sphere of fire and the moon shines from reflected light.
Steel your sensibilities, so that life shall hurt you as little as possible.
Philosophy is like an orchard, with Physics as the soil and the trees, Logic as the fence guarding the orchard, and Ethics as the fruit of the trees.
His father had a Greek name!
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by ZoC » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:01 pm
thanx for that.
Yialoser (born Bumbo) was born in Yialousa, Cyprus, the fourth child of tobacco grower Haji-Baba-Bumbo (senior) and school teaching assistant (remedial classes) Tallou. He changed his name to Yialoser at 22 after leaving home and cultivating his weird appearance to a standard that shocked contemporary Cypriots.
As well as being mentally retarded, by his own account, Yialoser was effeminate in behaviour from an early age and found himself the object of teasing at remedial classes, even though his mum was there. After leaving school Yialoser studied toilet training, but failed to graduate, going on to have soiled underpants all his life.
Around this time, Yialoser began visiting the seedy cafés of Nicosia - his favourite being 'The Greek Wannabe' - meeting other young homosexual men and rent-boys, and experimenting with make-up and women's clothes. For six months he worked as a male prostitute, looking for love, he said in a 1999 interview, but finding only degradation.
Yialoser left home to move to Australia at the end of 2000 and, after dwelling in a succession of flats, found a bed-sitting room in Adelaide where he "held court with Australia's brightest and roughest characters". His dim-wittedness and outlandish appearance (he wore bright make-up, dyed his long hair blue and white, painted his fingernails and wore sandals to display his painted toe-nails) brought curiosity from some quarters, but generally attracted hostility from strangers passing him in the streets.
Yialoser (born Bumbo) was born in Yialousa, Cyprus, the fourth child of tobacco grower Haji-Baba-Bumbo (senior) and school teaching assistant (remedial classes) Tallou. He changed his name to Yialoser at 22 after leaving home and cultivating his weird appearance to a standard that shocked contemporary Cypriots.
As well as being mentally retarded, by his own account, Yialoser was effeminate in behaviour from an early age and found himself the object of teasing at remedial classes, even though his mum was there. After leaving school Yialoser studied toilet training, but failed to graduate, going on to have soiled underpants all his life.
Around this time, Yialoser began visiting the seedy cafés of Nicosia - his favourite being 'The Greek Wannabe' - meeting other young homosexual men and rent-boys, and experimenting with make-up and women's clothes. For six months he worked as a male prostitute, looking for love, he said in a 1999 interview, but finding only degradation.
Yialoser left home to move to Australia at the end of 2000 and, after dwelling in a succession of flats, found a bed-sitting room in Adelaide where he "held court with Australia's brightest and roughest characters". His dim-wittedness and outlandish appearance (he wore bright make-up, dyed his long hair blue and white, painted his fingernails and wore sandals to display his painted toe-nails) brought curiosity from some quarters, but generally attracted hostility from strangers passing him in the streets.
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by kurupetos » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:57 pm
bill cobbett wrote:ZoC wrote:kurupetos wrote:
brilliant.
Is it true that he was Phoenician?.... seriously just a question.
Nope, it turns out he was a British Cypriot from north London.
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by supporttheunderdog » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:12 pm
http://neptune.spaceports.com/~words/zeno.html
In this site it indicates Crates called him a little Phonecian
In this site it indicates Crates called him a little Phonecian
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