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Greek Cypriots brainwashing their youth.

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Postby erolz3 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:19 pm

bill cobbett wrote: Where's your proof to back up your claim? Pref in English.


Well the proof that some like yourself are seeking to brainwash others about the IPC is here in you very own posts and your laughable suggestion that a list of google search results on a given subject is proof that the subject is true. If you think that your google list of links is proof then try googling "greek cypriot genocide of turkish cypriots". Only an idiot would try and pass off the returned google search results as proof.
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Postby erolz3 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:23 pm

boulio wrote:
The proof is that the ECHR has deemed it a valid means of fair redress


to a point however there have been issues latley that g/c have withdrawn their application or even not excpeted the verdict and are going back to the echr


Which is exactly the point. If the IPC is not a valid means of redress or stops becomming one then it is and will be answerable to the ECHR for that. So the idea that the IPC itself could take a 25% cut of every settlement under the table and get away with it is plainly nonsense of the highest order, but clearly that does not stop the likes of bill cobbett posting such nonsense as proven fact in order to try and 'brainwash' others.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:33 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:Rubbish, do you have any real proof?


Are you claiming the "ipc" is squeaky clean?


Im claiming the GCs are brainwashing their youth why are you tryingt to change the subject?


Waiting for your proof that ... the "gcs" are brainwashing" their youth VP.
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Postby boulio » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:34 pm

no i dont think their taking cuts but when it comes to say a house and its worth 250,000 euro in todays markey and the IPC OFFERS 50,000 euros many cases are going to go back to the echr unless the applicant is desperate.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:35 pm

erolz3 wrote:
boulio wrote:
The proof is that the ECHR has deemed it a valid means of fair redress


to a point however there have been issues latley that g/c have withdrawn their application or even not excpeted the verdict and are going back to the echr


Which is exactly the point. If the IPC is not a valid means of redress or stops becomming one then it is and will be answerable to the ECHR for that. So the idea that the IPC itself could take a 25% cut of every settlement under the table and get away with it is plainly nonsense of the highest order, but clearly that does not stop the likes of bill cobbett posting such nonsense as proven fact in order to try and 'brainwash' others.


Why don't you try clicking on the google links given mate. ... fearful of hearing of people's experiences with the "ipc" ??????
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:39 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Rubbish, do you have any real proof?


Are you claiming the "ipc" is squeaky clean?


Im claiming the GCs are brainwashing their youth why are you tryingt to change the subject?


Waiting for your proof that ... the "gcs" are brainwashing" their youth VP.


You you think im going to translate for you think again.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Rubbish, do you have any real proof?


Are you claiming the "ipc" is squeaky clean?


Im claiming the GCs are brainwashing their youth why are you tryingt to change the subject?


Waiting for your proof that ... the "gcs" are brainwashing" their youth VP.


You you think im going to translate for you think again.


No need for me to think again mate, would never expect you to to give a translation, give a link or anything similar to even remotely back up your claims.

.... but it doesn't stop me asking again for you to back up your claims with some proof.
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Postby SpartanGamer » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:51 pm

erolz3 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Rubbish, do you have any real proof?


Are you claiming the "ipc" is squeaky clean? If so, where is your proof????


The proof is that the ECHR has deemed it a valid means of fair redress.


Where is the proof they said it was "fair redress"?
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Postby ZoC » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:57 pm

here's some of the horriible things the chinese are saying about the northern latriners... don't ask for a translation...

伦敦金融城与中国保持可持续发展的金融业的合作关系伦敦金融城市长白尔雅先生将率领一"TRNC"个强大的商务代表团展开为期10天的访华行程。欧洲联盟驻华代表团团长关于在中国无理拘禁增加使用的声明欧洲联盟驻华代表团对于针对在中国的维权人士、律师、及人权示威者逐渐增加使用的无理拘禁表示关切。伦敦金融城与中国保持可持续发展的金融"LATRINE"业的合作关系伦敦金融城市长白尔雅先生将率领一个强大的商务代"TURDS"表团展开为期10天的访华行程。欧洲联盟驻华代表团团长关于在中国无理拘禁增加使用的声明欧洲联盟驻华代表团对于针对在中国的维权人士、律师、及人权示威者逐渐增加使用的无理拘禁表示关切。
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:01 pm

Kickback allegations in IPC compensation
TUESDAY, 31 AUGUST 2010 20:00

Author:
Elias Hazou
A GREEK Cypriot refugee awarded compensation by the north’s Immovable Property Commission (IPC) was manipulated into paying back 25 per cent of the amount as a sweetener.
According to Politis, the man reached a settlement with the IPC, under which he was awarded 600,000 pounds sterling. Although the award decision was issued several months ago, it was only a few days ago that the case was closed and the compensation given to the Greek Cypriot applicant.
Initially the man had an arrangement with his Turkish Cypriot lawyer for a fee of five per cent on the value of the compensation.
As time went on and the Greek Cypriot never saw the money, his lawyer advised that the process could be speeded up if the applicant agreed to pay the Turkish ‘embassy’ in the north a hefty commission in order to ‘oil the wheels’.
The man agreed and the lawyer set up the meeting with someone from the Turkish ‘embassy’. According to Politis, it was agreed that the applicant pay the ‘embassy’ 20 per cent of the compensation amount.
The Greek Cypriot wanted a record of the transaction, and at the meeting asked the ‘embassy’ representative for an invoice for the ‘commission fee’. His request was denied.
The man then asked for a day to reconsider, during which time he contacted another Turkish Cypriot lawyer, who nevertheless proposed a similar deal to the first. Pressed for time and money, the applicant threw caution to the wind and agreed to the ‘embassy’s’ terms.
A few days later, said the same report, the Greek Cypriot was notified that his compensation money was ready to collect. The man ended up paying some 150,000 pounds sterling to the various go-betweens: the lawyer and the Turkish ‘embassy’.
Citing its sources, Politis said the Turkish Cypriot lawyer had come up with alternatives for his Greek Cypriot client. One proposal, reportedly, involved the lawyer charging his client a smaller fee, in return for which the Greek Cypriot would undertake to find him two new customers wishing to apply to the IPC.
According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005, after the European Court of Human Rights handed Turkey the task with finding a way of offering redress to Greek Cypriot Myra Xenides-Arestis, who lost her property in Varosha during the 1974 Turkish invasion.
Turkey accepted the challenge and has in turn given the Turkish Cypriot authorities – as its ‘subordinate local authority’ – the task of delivering justice on Greek Cypriot property claims.
In a different case, also reported by Politis, an elderly Greek Cypriot woman applying to the IPC decided to settle for 100,000 pounds sterling, even though the value of her property in the occupied areas was several times greater. She was advised that if she agreed to the above offer, she would not have to wait and would receive the money immediately. The woman, who needed money for surgery, went for the deal. The paper said that delay tactics and the carrot-and-stick approach are used as standard procedure to compel applicants to settle for far less.
Commenting on the Politis story yesterday, AKEL deputy Stavros Evagorou said reports of such abuse were to be expected, given applicants to the IPC had no protection.
“We at AKEL are not in favour of Greek Cypriots taking recourse to commissions controlled by Turkey or the breakaway regime,” he said.
Reports such as these were typical of the commission’s blackmail strategy, he added.

Above is from the CYMail
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