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[Paphitis]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

Seriously speaking, these cretins have destroyed Cyprus, just because they wanted to be part of a bigger setting and now they have the cheek to lectura to us about their precious greekness. I bet Socrates bones are turning in the grave.

Until they can realize (dont know how) that to solve our problem they must be first cypriots for all cypriots for CYPRUS and that CYPRUS BELONGS TO CYPRIOTS AND NOT TO GREEKS OR TURKS WE ARE DOOMED. if the can turn their greek/turkish nationalism to CYPRIOT NATIONALISM WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTmIa6c ... dded#at=38

It has nothing to do with nationalism as our nationalism is bound and defined by Cyprus and as such we ARE Cypriots. It is to do with how most Cypriots define themselves culturally. This sense of identity has endured far worse and it still prevails over many centuries of foreign oppression, and it will continue to do so.

No Cypriot can be denied their basic rights or sense of ethnic identity as Australians are free to ethnically define themselves as English, Irish, or whatever the case may be, and Cypriot nationals can define themselves as Hellenes, Greeks, Turks or even Russian if that be the case.

[quattro]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

Seriously speaking, these cretins have destroyed Cyprus, just because they wanted to be part of a bigger setting and now they have the cheek to lectura to us about their precious greekness. I bet Socrates bones are turning in the grave.

Until they can realize (dont know how) that to solve our problem they must be first cypriots for all cypriots for CYPRUS and that CYPRUS BELONGS TO CYPRIOTS AND NOT TO GREEKS OR TURKS WE ARE DOOMED. if the can turn their greek/turkish nationalism to CYPRIOT NATIONALISM WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTmIa6c ... dded#at=38

It has nothing to do with nationalism as our nationalism is bound and defined by Cyprus and as such we ARE Cypriots. It is to do with how most Cypriots define themselves culturally. This sense of identity has endured far worse and it still prevails over many centuries of foreign oppression, and it will continue to do so.

No Cypriot can be denied their basic rights or sense of ethnic identity as Australians are free to ethnically define themselves as English, Irish, or whatever the case may be, and Cypriot nationals can define themselves as Hellenes, Greeks, Turks or even Russian if that be the case.

other countrys dont have separate populations like cyprus minority /majority work us a single countrys nobody can denies someones nationality but in cyprus we have the habit to put signs on peoples
As long we concern our selfs GCs as cypriots and TCs as turks we have a problem who gave us that right to be cypriots and not recognized that to the TCs why always we are the cypriots and they are the turks ?

[Paphitis]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

Seriously speaking, these cretins have destroyed Cyprus, just because they wanted to be part of a bigger setting and now they have the cheek to lectura to us about their precious greekness. I bet Socrates bones are turning in the grave.

Until they can realize (dont know how) that to solve our problem they must be first cypriots for all cypriots for CYPRUS and that CYPRUS BELONGS TO CYPRIOTS AND NOT TO GREEKS OR TURKS WE ARE DOOMED. if the can turn their greek/turkish nationalism to CYPRIOT NATIONALISM WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTmIa6c ... dded#at=38

It has nothing to do with nationalism as our nationalism is bound and defined by Cyprus and as such we ARE Cypriots. It is to do with how most Cypriots define themselves culturally. This sense of identity has endured far worse and it still prevails over many centuries of foreign oppression, and it will continue to do so.

No Cypriot can be denied their basic rights or sense of ethnic identity as Australians are free to ethnically define themselves as English, Irish, or whatever the case may be, and Cypriot nationals can define themselves as Hellenes, Greeks, Turks or even Russian if that be the case.

other countrys dont have separate populations like cyprus minority /majority work us a single countrys nobody can denies someones nationality but in cyprus we have the habit to put signs on peoples
As long we concern our selfs GCs as cypriots and TCs as turks we have a problem who gave us that right to be cypriots and not recognized that to the TCs why always we are the cypriots and they are the turks ?

You are correct. Therefore, the fundamental issue here is that Cyprus was never allowed to define its own constitution in accordance with conventional democratic doctrines based on the individual as a citizen of the State.

The basic issue here is the bogus state of affairs as a result of the 1959 Zurich agreement. It is not about Greece, or our sense of identity as everyone is free to define themselves any way they like. The real problem is the constitution and the Turkish occupation which perpetuates the problem to achieve permanent partition.

The problem is the BBF under negotiation, and not whether Cypriot nationals define themselves to any particular ethos/ethnicity!

[Mikiko]

Good post .If there was a chance that this island was Greek. Greece would be the first to make claims but this never happened. Wasnt Greece who forced Makarios to sign the 1960 aggrements ? And Wasnt Greece that supported the Anan plan in 2004 ?

But when you want to unite the island with another country you need to consider of course the wish of the other country to accept you . It is a two side matter.

This Force issue is a STUPID ARGUMENT . What forces Cypriots to unite with Greece NOW ? And Why they dont do it now ? Of course NOW is more relevant to what happened 60 years ago .

But If you want to go back 60 years ago and make claims over events that happened 60 years ago then Its also rational to go back even 6000 years ago and speak about that period too.

[quattro]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

Seriously speaking, these cretins have destroyed Cyprus, just because they wanted to be part of a bigger setting and now they have the cheek to lectura to us about their precious greekness. I bet Socrates bones are turning in the grave.

Until they can realize (dont know how) that to solve our problem they must be first cypriots for all cypriots for CYPRUS and that CYPRUS BELONGS TO CYPRIOTS AND NOT TO GREEKS OR TURKS WE ARE DOOMED. if the can turn their greek/turkish nationalism to CYPRIOT NATIONALISM WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTmIa6c ... dded#at=38

It has nothing to do with nationalism as our nationalism is bound and defined by Cyprus and as such we ARE Cypriots. It is to do with how most Cypriots define themselves culturally. This sense of identity has endured far worse and it still prevails over many centuries of foreign oppression, and it will continue to do so.

No Cypriot can be denied their basic rights or sense of ethnic identity as Australians are free to ethnically define themselves as English, Irish, or whatever the case may be, and Cypriot nationals can define themselves as Hellenes, Greeks, Turks or even Russian if that be the case.

other countrys dont have separate populations like cyprus minority /majority work us a single countrys nobody can denies someones nationality but in cyprus we have the habit to put signs on peoples
As long we concern our selfs GCs as cypriots and TCs as turks we have a problem who gave us that right to be cypriots and not recognized that to the TCs why always we are the cypriots and they are the turks ?

You are correct. Therefore, the fundamental issue here is that Cyprus was never allowed to define its own constitution in accordance with conventional democratic doctrines based on the individual as a citizen of the State.

The basic issue here is the bogus state of affairs as a result of the 1959 Zurich agreement. It is not about Greece, or our sense of identity as everyone is free to define themselves any way they like. The real problem is the constitution and the Turkish occupation which perpetuates the problem to achieve permanent partition.

The problem is the BBF under negotiation, and not whether Cypriot nationals define themselves to any particular ethos/ethnicity!

we agree but we must agree also to the fact that the lions share in that situation is ours(with the foreign finger) and the ''tcs dont trust us So how we can fix that ....as we dont like ''them'' when they refer to Turkey they sure feel the same about us when we do the same thing with Greece . We must find the common ground for our Cypriotness .Saying that is common sense that I would like to see in cyprus two flags Cyprus one and EU only .
Did you saw many Australians or American waving the British flag

[Piratis]

The Australian flag incorporates the British flag, and they have the same Queen as them. The Americans don't. The people of Liverpool are part of the same country as those of London, those in Glasgow and those in Falkland islands.

In the end of the day what matters is to be FREE to do what you want with your own territory.

What is denied to us here is our Freedom. Too sad that you don't seem to understand this very basic concept.

Beyond that our Cypriotness is for granted. If we were part of Greece our Cypriotness wouldn't be a any less. Are the Cretans any less Cretans because Crete is part of Greece and not a separate country? Are the Liverpudlians less Liverpudlians because Liverpool is part of the UK? Are New Yorkers less new Yorkers because New York is part of the USA?

Then there is also the issue of identity. Even with separate countries it doesn't mean our identity should change. For example there are several Slavic countries and several Arabic countries. Similarly there could be 2 Hellenic countries. Why should we be forced to change our identity? The foreigners could force Cyprus to be a separate country but they can not force us to change our identity.

[Piratis]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

In that case why didn't we support Britain and didn't stay under British rule? The UK is an even bigger team and if your theory was correct then we wouldn't do everything possible to get rid of them.

So it is not about supporting a bigger team, it is about supporting OUR team, as opposed to be isolated from the team and cornered, so other teams can gang up on us and easily beat us up.

But of course we are not all like that. You for example will always kiss the ass of the most powerful ones since you have no dignity.

[Paphitis]

Quattro, what it boils down to eventually is like supporting a big team that wins most of the time and keeps you well balanced. Bananiots do seem to have this need to make something out of our miserable existence. the fact that our team faces relegation is of little concern, because Greece ... never dies, but relaxes for a while and then (dope-dope) moves towards glory again.

Seriously speaking, these cretins have destroyed Cyprus, just because they wanted to be part of a bigger setting and now they have the cheek to lectura to us about their precious greekness. I bet Socrates bones are turning in the grave.

Until they can realize (dont know how) that to solve our problem they must be first cypriots for all cypriots for CYPRUS and that CYPRUS BELONGS TO CYPRIOTS AND NOT TO GREEKS OR TURKS WE ARE DOOMED. if the can turn their greek/turkish nationalism to CYPRIOT NATIONALISM WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsTmIa6c ... dded#at=38

It has nothing to do with nationalism as our nationalism is bound and defined by Cyprus and as such we ARE Cypriots. It is to do with how most Cypriots define themselves culturally. This sense of identity has endured far worse and it still prevails over many centuries of foreign oppression, and it will continue to do so.

No Cypriot can be denied their basic rights or sense of ethnic identity as Australians are free to ethnically define themselves as English, Irish, or whatever the case may be, and Cypriot nationals can define themselves as Hellenes, Greeks, Turks or even Russian if that be the case.

No, I don't see any Australians wave the British Flag! However, we do have the Union Jack, our Armed Forces fly the Royal Ensign of Australia, and Australia share the same Monarch. The Commander in Chief of the ADF is also a Greek, linked to the former Greek Monarch, married to Queen Elizabeth, and his name is Philip.

Australia has this right.

other countrys dont have separate populations like cyprus minority /majority work us a single countrys nobody can denies someones nationality but in cyprus we have the habit to put signs on peoples
As long we concern our selfs GCs as cypriots and TCs as turks we have a problem who gave us that right to be cypriots and not recognized that to the TCs why always we are the cypriots and they are the turks ?

You are correct. Therefore, the fundamental issue here is that Cyprus was never allowed to define its own constitution in accordance with conventional democratic doctrines based on the individual as a citizen of the State.

The basic issue here is the bogus state of affairs as a result of the 1959 Zurich agreement. It is not about Greece, or our sense of identity as everyone is free to define themselves any way they like. The real problem is the constitution and the Turkish occupation which perpetuates the problem to achieve permanent partition.

The problem is the BBF under negotiation, and not whether Cypriot nationals define themselves to any particular ethos/ethnicity!

we agree but we must agree also to the fact that the lions share in that situation is ours(with the foreign finger) and the ''tcs dont trust us So how we can fix that ....as we dont like ''them'' when they refer to Turkey they sure feel the same about us when we do the same thing with Greece . We must find the common ground for our Cypriotness .Saying that is common sense that I would like to see in cyprus two flags Cyprus one and EU only .
Did you saw many Australians or American waving the British flag

As a GC I do not refer to Greece. I am not a Greek national. I am a Cypriot national with allegiances to my country which is Cyprus! I am a Cypriot nationalist. I am not a Greek nationalist!

However, I and most others choose to identify with the Hellenic ethnos as have our ancestors for thousands of years. I have nothing to do with the nation of Greece, but if the TCs can't bring themselves to do the same, it is because they have stolen a chunk of our ancestral lands and their Turkish nationalism may not allow them to forego their stolen loot or relinquish Taksim whilst our Greek nationalists with their ideal of ENOSIS have been long gone!

No, Australians do not wave the British Flag. The Union Jack forms part of our Flag, we share the same Monarch as our own, our Armed Forces fly the Royal Ensign of Australia, and our Commander in Chief is a Greek, related to the former Greek Monarch Constantine(you know who this chap is)!

[quattro]

What is denied to us here is our Freedom. Too sad that you don't seem to understand this very basic concept

I can understand and know that very well .

Are the Cretans any less Cretans because Crete is part of Greece and not a separate country?

most of them regret that go ask them they treat them like the last wheel of the wagon .

The foreigners could force Cyprus to be a separate country but they can not force us to change our identity

We must be a separate country.Is the only way to have a united one .
and is better to work more for our Cypriot identity than the greek one to have that.

[quattro]

The Union Jack forms part of our Flag, we share the same Monarch as our own, our Armed Forces fly the Royal Ensign of Australia, and our Commander in Chief is a Greek, related to the former Greek Monarch Constantine(you know who this chap is)!

GOOD can we fly with the Royal Ensign of CYPRUS and our Commander in Chief be a ''TC'' ?

Yes i know the chap.