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[NEVERSAYNEVER]

Been to Greece many times , realized we speak the same lingo
have the same religion , have very different surnames , we are on the whole a race of well balanced people , the Cypriots that is , I found that I had little if any in common with the ...Freeks , and they are constantly trying to survive in a society governed by greed , deceit , inflated egos about Greek history and the contribution that Greece has made
to the Western world , a fact no one can deny I agree but that was in ancient times. I can not forgive Greece for being responsible for
our catastrophes of 1974 , admittedly the junta were in charge but the junta was made up of Greeks , they induced Turkeys vicious invasion and then having done so they abandoned us !!!!! Still many Cypriots cling to the idea implanted in their little minds that Greece is our ..motherland !!!!

[B25]

Been to Greece many times , realized we speak the same lingo
have the same religion , have very different surnames , we are on the whole a race of well balanced people , the Cypriots that is , I found that I had little if any in common with the ...Freeks , and they are constantly trying to survive in a society governed by greed , deceit , inflated egos about Greek history and the contribution that Greece has made
to the Western world , a fact no one can deny I agree but that was in ancient times. I can not forgive Greece for being responsible for
our catastrophes of 1974 , admittedly the junta were in charge but the junta was made up of Greeks , they induced Turkeys vicious invasion and then having done so they abandoned us !!!!! Still many Cypriots cling to the idea implanted in their little minds that Greece is our ..motherland !!!!

I guess you also blame the Russian people for Stalin, the Iraqi people for Suddam, the cuban people for castro, the Italians for mousullini, the zimbawian people for mugabe and so on and so forth.

You need to get a grip, the Junta was not the Greek people, EOKA B was not all the Cypriot people.the Junta Screwed us yes, but the real cause is the US. Like I said, money talks, BS walks.

[kurupetos]

...we're Hellenes! Understand the difference!

You’re just a daft little nincompoop in need of aggrandizement so you’ve climbed on the imagined "Hellene" bandwagon of another country, something they invented in the early 1820s!

It just doesn’t get much more pitiful than that…

Read this. You might learn something!

Another reading for Bananiot(s) & other anti-Hellenism fools. Read it and weep.

http://www.odysseiabooks.gr/Product/93677/Page/1737/el/

And a translation for non-Greek speakers:
The Cypriot Hellenism of the Diaspora and relations of Cyprus - Vatican 1571-1878

It remains, no one was surprised by the strong presence of the Cypriots after 1571, in Europe, especially Italy, at the time of the Counter, Baroque, Spanish hegemony and religious wars. The Ottoman conquest did not result in isolation from Europe, however, forced the most uncomfortable and uncompromising islanders look to the West supports morally and materially, ideologically and economically, spiritually, educationally, militarily, politically. Hundreds of Cypriots then, without losing the dream and vision for the release of "sweet" in their country, served with admirable zeal and brilliant results in trade, in university education, social service, in writing or editing production; contributed decisively to the establishment and maintenance of Greek fraternities and communities in Italy, joined military units distinguished themselves as officers or ordinary soldiers on land and sea, offering invaluable services as undercover agents or informants against the Ottomans preserved the myth of the revolution against the invader; by price blood and their lives are not fatally bent his head to a fait accompli; with optimism have been pursuing in the future, so I did not lose their identity and faith, attributing, indomitable, after "each failure, the time limit civil remedies. This, then, diverse, epic and charming capital of Cypriot history for non-Cypriots in Cyprus, in the years of Ottoman occupation (1571-1878), sought to compose and to resurrect. There is no lack of individual studies, although sometimes characterized by limited horizons of historians or annotation. [...] (From the preface by the author)

[ZoC]

...we're Hellenes! Understand the difference!

You’re just a daft little nincompoop in need of aggrandizement so you’ve climbed on the imagined "Hellene" bandwagon of another country, something they invented in the early 1820s!

It just doesn’t get much more pitiful than that…

Read this. You might learn something!

Another reading for Bananiot(s) & other anti-Hellenism fools. Read it and weep.

http://www.odysseiabooks.gr/Product/93677/Page/1737/el/

And a translation for non-Greek speakers:
The Cypriot Hellenism of the Diaspora and relations of Cyprus - Vatican 1571-1878

[repulsewarrior]

...we're Hellenes! Understand the difference!

You’re just a daft little nincompoop in need of aggrandizement so you’ve climbed on the imagined "Hellene" bandwagon of another country, something they invented in the early 1820s!

It just doesn’t get much more pitiful than that…

Read this. You might learn something!

Another reading for Bananiot(s) & other anti-Hellenism fools. Read it and weep.

http://www.odysseiabooks.gr/Product/93677/Page/1737/el/

And a translation for non-Greek speakers:
The Cypriot Hellenism of the Diaspora and relations of Cyprus - Vatican 1571-1878

It remains, no one was surprised by the strong presence of the Cypriots after 1571, in Europe, especially Italy, at the time of the Counter, Baroque, Spanish hegemony and religious wars. The Ottoman conquest did not result in isolation from Europe, however, forced the most uncomfortable and uncompromising islanders look to the West supports morally and materially, ideologically and economically, spiritually, educationally, militarily, politically. Hundreds of Cypriots then, without losing the dream and vision for the release of "sweet" in their country, served with admirable zeal and brilliant results in trade, in university education, social service, in writing or editing production; contributed decisively to the establishment and maintenance of Greek fraternities and communities in Italy, joined military units distinguished themselves as officers or ordinary soldiers on land and sea, offering invaluable services as undercover agents or informants against the Ottomans preserved the myth of the revolution against the invader; by price blood and their lives are not fatally bent his head to a fait accompli; with optimism have been pursuing in the future, so I did not lose their identity and faith, attributing, indomitable, after "each failure, the time limit civil remedies. This, then, diverse, epic and charming capital of Cypriot history for non-Cypriots in Cyprus, in the years of Ottoman occupation (1571-1878), sought to compose and to resurrect. There is no lack of individual studies, although sometimes characterized by limited horizons of historians or annotation. [...] (From the preface by the author)

...what i get out of this,

Cypriots are identified as Cypriots before the Ottoman occupation; and during.

...even though this occupation left the island a ghetto for three hundred years, remarkably a Cypriot identity could survive.

This, then, diverse, epic and charming capital of Cypriot history for non-Cypriots in Cyprus, in the years of Ottoman occupation (1571-1878), sought to compose and to resurrect.

...here is (if the translation is correctly transparent) an interesting comment: something Lord Byron to it, about the occupation of the British, and, a transition toward the mobility of the Modern Age; a possibility of Union with the Occidental world, and beyond which an Independence as a State, Sovereign (if we choose).

[repulsewarrior]

when cypriots say cyprus is a greek island, vp, they don't mean a greek island like crete, ie. an island that's part of the greek republic... they mean a hellenic island, ie. an island inhabited for millenia by hellenes... not as in citizens of the hellenic republic, but hellenes as in greeks, like, say a greek from antioch or damascus or constantinople. why are u so stupid, vp that u can't see the distinction? why do u use it as an excuse to gift the northern part of the island to turkey?

Maybe like you, they don't know what the fuck they mean

unlike them, i know exactly wot i mean.

i understand what you mean ZoC, and i would hope that all of us as Cypriots have the respect to recognise that the roots of this island's dwellers is older still. "Greek" or "Turkish", i am proud to say "Maronite" and "Jew", maybe "Bulgarian" "Russian" "British" or "Sri Lankan" 600 years from now, our Stewardship, this responsibility as Cypriots has no ethnic boundry; when we demonstrate it, it is a benefit toward all Mankind.

...vp, woof woof

...!

[repulsewarrior]

I don't think there's a Cypriot on this forum who can trace their ancestry to Greece beyond 3 generations...
but some might argue Cyprus was part of the ancient Greek empire for centuries, 50 years of independence won't change it.

That's not how it works mate. Why do we need to trace our ancestry to Greece, when we have been Hellenes for the last 3500+ years?

What do you think is a Greek anyway? A citizen of Greece? What a joke!

...and it is entirely possible that there was a culture of people on this island before Greek as the spoken word. i feel this is important to stress as well. in this day and age it is not enough to be a "Greek", as an Individual each of us have far wider distinctions and a bigger responsibility to a Family of Man, as Cypriots we are equals because of the Universal Principals which guide us. we must develop an ability to sustain, not just sustain ourselves; this is Bicommunal.

[DTA]

I don't think there's a Cypriot on this forum who can trace their ancestry to Greece beyond 3 generations...
but some might argue Cyprus was part of the ancient Greek empire for centuries, 50 years of independence won't change it.

That's not how it works mate. Why do we need to trace our ancestry to Greece, when we have been Hellenes for the last 3500+ years?

What do you think is a Greek anyway? A citizen of Greece? What a joke!

...and it is entirely possible that there was a culture of people on this island before Greek as the spoken word. i feel this is important to stress as well. in this day and age it is not enough to be a "Greek", as an Individual each of us have far wider distinctions and a bigger responsibility to a Family of Man, as Cypriots we are equals because of the Universal Principals which guide us. we must develop an ability to sustain, not just sustain ourselves; this is Bicommunal.

iT is not just entirely possible but a hundred percent proven fact

[kurupetos]

I don't think there's a Cypriot on this forum who can trace their ancestry to Greece beyond 3 generations...
but some might argue Cyprus was part of the ancient Greek empire for centuries, 50 years of independence won't change it.

That's not how it works mate. Why do we need to trace our ancestry to Greece, when we have been Hellenes for the last 3500+ years?

What do you think is a Greek anyway? A citizen of Greece? What a joke!

...and it is entirely possible that there was a culture of people on this island before Greek as the spoken word. i feel this is important to stress as well. in this day and age it is not enough to be a "Greek", as an Individual each of us have far wider distinctions and a bigger responsibility to a Family of Man, as Cypriots we are equals because of the Universal Principals which guide us. we must develop an ability to sustain, not just sustain ourselves; this is Bicommunal.

RW, I will provide you with a full series on the continuation of Hellenism in Cyprus in the future. Give me a few months to provide a thorough overview.

[supporttheunderdog]

Well, we’re nearly there, Hermippos.
Day after tomorrow, it seems—that’s what the captain said.
At least we’re sailing our seas,
the waters of Cyprus, Syria, and Egypt,
the beloved waters of our home countries.
Why so silent? Ask your heart:
didn’t you too feel happier
the farther we got from Greece?
What’s the point of fooling ourselves?
That would hardly be properly Greek.
It’s time we admitted the truth:
we are Greeks also—what else are we?—
but with Asiatic affections and feelings,
affections and feelings
sometimes alien to Hellenism.

Konstantinos Kavafis 1914