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Postby quattro » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:18 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
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yialousa1971 wrote:
Cap wrote:Funny how we curse them amongst ourselves..

But when faced by foreigners... 'I'm Greeeeeek, I'm a direct descendent of Alexander the Great!'

Have you noticed how we change our dialect in the presence of Greek people?
Have you noticed the humble subservient attitude some of our brethren portray in the presence of Greek people?
That 'you're superior' adoring look in the eye when speaking to them?

It's infuriating to me.


You need re educating!


You need brain wash elam boy (sorry you had that )


Your another one of GR's fags. :roll:


I am another one of the CYPRIOTS what are YOU :?: :shock: :shock:
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Postby ZoC » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:19 pm

QUICK!! someone call the institution. yialoser's wriggled free from his straight jacket and is roaming the forum on his care workers' smartphone.
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Postby quattro » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:22 pm

ZoC wrote:QUICK!! someone call the institution. yialoser's wriggled free from his straight jacket and is roaming the forum on his care workers' smartphone.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:14 am

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quattro wrote:The principal vernacular and traditional lingua franca of Cyprus is Cypriot (or Gibreiga), which is rooted in the ancient Greek used throughout the eastern Mediterranean before the time of Christ. Also spoken on the island is Gibrizlija, introduced by the Ottomans in the sixteenth century, as well as pockets of Armenian and of the sadly almost extinct Sanna (Cypriot Maronite Arabic).

The principal Cypriot vernacular contains many distinct forms of archaic origin not found in the present-day language of Greece. In addition the serial occupations endured by Cypriots over the centuries have left their mark in the form of a vivid multicultural vocabulary: extensive Ottoman, English, French, Italian and other foreign influences have been absorbed to create a powerfully evocative and expressive language. Spoken throughout Cyprus for many generations, Cypriot is also familiar to expatriate Cypriots in the UK, Australia, America and elsewhere.

Important historic texts have been written in what is essentially Cypriot, notably the Assizes (the laws introduced to the island by the Crusaders in the Middle Ages) and Leontios Makhairas’s Chronicle of Cyprus in Frankish times. Despite this, and despite a rich poetic and folk tradition, Cypriot has never achieved proper recognition as a written language variety in its own right. Cypriot has been in decline since the 1950s as a result of the polarisation of the ‘Greek’ and ‘Turkish’ communities of Cyprus. Divisive educational policies and the media have marginalised Cypriot, as well as Gibrizlija, in favour of standardised language forms from the respective ‘mainlands’.

The diminished status of the Cypriot language most particularly affects the newer generations of international Cypriots, who find themselves alienated from their mother tongue. When they try to learn the language of their parents and grandparents, they are introduced to unfamiliar ‘correct’ forms. They are made to feel ashamed of the supposedly vulgar way they speak at home. Not surprisingly, many Cypriots brought up outside Cyprus are unable to communicate effectively or confidently in their ancestral language.

The Cypriot language traditionally used in Cyprus is a cornerstone of Cypriot heritage. The Cypriot Academy seeks to take a leading role in rediscovering and dignifying this distinctive language, making it accessible to Cypriots internationally. To this end the Cypriot Academy has devised a standard means of writing Cypriot using the internationally recognised Latin alphabet.


You must be a Turk?


Reh Yialoser, do us a favour mate, go and shove your head back up the nearest greek bum, which is prob your own one. Thank you.

Well posted Quattro mate/matess, ... Def... Language is the creation of the People and as Q says it will incorporate their history, experiences and traditions... and so many other things like their ideas, their hopes, their fears etc etc. in ways that make Language so very important in defining a Culture.

The CYs are the only legit custodians of their own very special dialect. It's uniquely theirs and they should cherish it.

Further, they are the ones who decide what gets in to the lexicon by the usual test of any People's Language, by the words and phrases in general usage... and not some scabby, tyrannical Atheneucian Academy,.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:05 am

We don't "need" to be Greek. We are Greek. And by "we" I am referring to the vast majority of the Cypriot people. Of course there are non Greek minorities in Cyprus, like there are non Greek minorities in every other Greek island or territory, or non English minorities in London.

Asking why Cypriots "need" to be Greek is like asking why Athenians or Cretans need to be Greek, or why Londoners need to be English. It is not a matter of "need" but a matter of who we are.

The question is why the foreign Imperialists don't want to allow Cypriots to be what they are, and instead they are trying to force us to be something else. First they used brute force to deny to us our right to unite our island with the rest of Greece, and since then with constant propaganda they are trying to even change our identity. Why? The answer is obvious: Because they want to keep Cyprus isolated, making it easier for themselves to continue exploiting our island.

Take the UK for example. Not only the difference between regions of England (e.g. London and Liverpool) are greater than those between Greek regions (e.g. Crete and Cyprus) but in the same country they include Scotland and north Ireland. Why does London and Liverpool "need" to be part of the same country? Why even Scotland, Wales, England and North Ireland "need" to be part of the same country? How can they have a United Kingdom, but at the same time they are hell bend not to allow our own nation to be united using such lame excuses?

Then there’s religion. But it should be noted that the Church of Cyprus, like that of Russia, is actually autocephalous within the family of Orthodox Churches. Indeed Cyprus was the first Roman province to convert to Christianity.


The religion of most Cypriots is Greek Orthodox.

What about language? After all, most of us speak Greek (or something akin to it). But do Americans regard themselves as English? Do Austrians want to be seen as Germans? And weren’t all Cypriots happy to speak the principal vernacular of Cyprus before division took root?


What you refer as "Americans" are not the native people of those lands but settlers mostly from Europe. As far as Austrians, they attempted at least twice to unite with Germany, and this was denied to them by outside powers who didn't want Germany to become more powerful.

How about culture? But if we’re honest there’s little to distinguish traditional ‘Greek Cypriot’ and ‘Turkish Cypriot’ culture and values. (OK, one group may eat less pork for religious reasons, but then some people ‘go the whole hog’ these days and become vegetarians!)


There is even less to distinguish the culture in Cyprus with the culture of other Greek islands and territories, particularly islands such as Crete and Rhodes.

Ethnicity? This is almost certainly wrong on genetic grounds. The frequent appeals to both communities for bone marrow donors show Cypriots share more genes with each other than with the populations of either Greece or Turkey. We look the same, for goodness sake!


First of all ethnicity is not encoded in genes, and secondly if TCs are related to us genetically that wouldn't mean that we are not Greek, but that TCs used to be Greek as well.

History? But which history do we go for? Cyprus has been inhabited for over 9,000 years and has been occupied by almost every significant power in the region and beyond. The island hasn’t been part of a Greek state for the best part of a thousand years – that’s if you count the Byzantine Empire, which at the time described itself as Roman. Perhaps it’s time to move on and be ourselves.


We are Greeks for 1000s of years and this is what we have been even when under foreign rule. Or do you think we become Turks when under Ottoman rule and then English when under British rule? Foreign rulers can change, our ethnicity does not.

Finally, we come to nationalism – a need to emphasise our supposed difference from Cypriots with a Muslim background. But doesn’t needing to be ‘Greek’ cause our Muslim compatriots to need to be ‘Turkish’? And if some of us must look to Greece, aren’t others forced to look to Turkey? But what if we were both simply ‘Cypriot’ and looked to Europe and the world?


So what you are saying here is that we should change our identity for political reasons. But this wouldn't help either because even if it was possible to change our ethnicity, there are still plenty of other differences, such as religion and language. The problem can not be solved by oppressing the differences, the problem can be solved only by accepting and respecting those differences.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:25 am

The CYs are the only legit custodians of their own very special dialect. It's uniquely theirs and they should cherish it.


Every place has a unique dialect. The dialect of Londoners is different from that of Liverpudlians and the dialect of Pafites is different from that Lefkosiates.

But in general the Cypriot dialect is not very different particularly from certain other Greek islands.

Here is from a book about Greek dialects:

Southeastern
Cyprus, Rhodes, Karpathos, Kasos, Kastellorizo, Kos, Leros, Patmos. These islands have velar palatalisation and geminates as well as final /n/ retention.


If you want to download the whole book:
http://www.filesonic.com/file/486090714/Greek-dialects.pdf (scroll down where it says "Slow Download" which is free)
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:24 am

Cyprus was not originally Greek and has never been a part of the current Greek State, but had Greekness forced upon it as a result of invasion and conquest, and those promoting Enosis have been brainwashed into promoting a historical imperialism and colonialism as pepetrated on the near EASTand much of the Middle east by those colonialistic imperialists, the Greeks.
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:28 am

bill cobbett wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
quattro wrote:The principal vernacular and traditional lingua franca of Cyprus is Cypriot (or Gibreiga), which is rooted in the ancient Greek used throughout the eastern Mediterranean before the time of Christ. Also spoken on the island is Gibrizlija, introduced by the Ottomans in the sixteenth century, as well as pockets of Armenian and of the sadly almost extinct Sanna (Cypriot Maronite Arabic).

The principal Cypriot vernacular contains many distinct forms of archaic origin not found in the present-day language of Greece. In addition the serial occupations endured by Cypriots over the centuries have left their mark in the form of a vivid multicultural vocabulary: extensive Ottoman, English, French, Italian and other foreign influences have been absorbed to create a powerfully evocative and expressive language. Spoken throughout Cyprus for many generations, Cypriot is also familiar to expatriate Cypriots in Australia, America and elsewhere.

Important historic texts have been written in what is essentially Cypriot, notably the Assizes (the laws introduced to the island by the Crusaders in the Middle Ages) and Leontios Makhairas’s Chronicle of Cyprus in Frankish times. Despite this, and despite a rich poetic and folk tradition, Cypriot has never achieved proper recognition as a written language variety in its own right. Cypriot has been in decline since the 1950s as a result of the polarisation of the ‘Greek’ and ‘Turkish’ communities of Cyprus. Divisive educational policies and the media have marginalised Cypriot, as well as Gibrizlija, in favour of standardised language forms from the respective ‘mainlands’.

The diminished status of the Cypriot language most particularly affects the newer generations of international Cypriots, who find themselves alienated
from their mother tongue. When they try to learn the language of their parents and grandparents, they are introduced to unfamiliar ‘correct’ forms. They are made to feel ashamed of the supposedly vulgar way they speak at home. Not surprisingly, many Cypriots brought up outside Cyprus are unable to communicate effectively or confidently in their ancestral language.

The Cypriot language traditionally used in Cyprus is a cornerstone of Cypriot heritage. The Cypriot Academy seeks to take a leading role in rediscovering and dignifying this distinctive language, making it accessible to Cypriots internationally. To this end the Cypriot Academy has devised a standard means of writing Cypriot using the internationally recognised Latin alphabet.


You must be a Turk?


Reh Yialoser, do us a favour mate, go and shove your head back up the
nearest greek bum, which is prob your own one. Thank you.

Well posted Quattro mate/matess, ... Def... Language is the creation of the People and as Q says it will incorporate their history, experiences and traditions... and so many other things like their ideas, their hopes, their fears etc etc. in ways that make Language so very important in defining a Culture.

The CYs are the only legit custodians of their own very special dialect. It's uniquely theirs and they should cherish it.

Further, they are the ones who decide what gets in to the lexicon by the
usual test of any People's Language, by the words and phrases in general
usage... and not some scabby, tyrannical Atheneucian Academy,.


With a face like yours I'd say you've had it up a Turks arse. :wink:
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Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:46 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Cyprus was not originally Greek and has never been a part of the current Greek State, but had Greekness forced upon it as a result of invasion and conquest, and those promoting Enosis have been brainwashed into promoting a historical imperialism and colonialism as pepetrated on the near EASTand much of the Middle east by those colonialistic imperialists, the Greeks.


Is this some kind of joke English man, you Anglo's murdered upto a million children in Iraq with your sanctions. Then you fucking murdered another few millions while bombing them back into the stone age.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:49 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Cyprus was not originally Greek and has never been a part of the current Greek State, but had Greekness forced upon it as a result of invasion and conquest, and those promoting Enosis have been brainwashed into promoting a historical imperialism and colonialism as pepetrated on the near EASTand much of the Middle east by those colonialistic imperialists, the Greeks.


Cypriots did not have their "Greekness" forced upon them. Foreigners are forcing Cypriots to deny their own ideals and sense of identity. If Cypriots are culturally connected to Hellenism, then it has bugger all to do with you or anyone else. We are a link in the Hellenic chain, have always been a link for thousands of years and we will not be forced to deny our Hellenic links by you or any other imperialists or invaders.

Get that through your thick head!
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