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[Get Real!]

why does extreme autonomy mean independence ?is spain in trouble of falling apart?

Why, have they given the Basque separatists "extreme independence" and I didn't hear about it?

[boulio]

Actually they have:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Cou ... _community)

[boulio]

since you brought up Great Britain here is a link concering spain and great britain.enjoy your reading.Its is alot better of the status quo and the annan plan.And you will never have a unitary state per the agreements your leaders haevagreed to so start reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Autonomy

[Viewpoint]

VP, you have a point - we are banging our heads against a wall, because the plans currently being discussed can never be accepted by GCs at referendum.

My personal feeling is that the ONLY solution that can be accepted by BOTH sides in the foreseeable future is one based on 3 key principles:

1. Near-sovereignty of the 2 component states (to make it acceptable to TCs), absolute minimum connection at the top to ensure single representation in the EU

2. Land sharing closer to the ownership and population ratios, up to say 22% max for TC state (ensuring solution is seen by GCs as better than Status Quo, and eliminating need for "compensation", which noone is willing or able to pay i.e. property issue resolved ONLY by exchange, and extremely few GCs will return to properties in the TC state - Christofias already accepted this)

3. Cast-iron guarantees by UN under Ch7/ EU/ others on 2 things: (a) security (b) immigration control ensuring each community will remain a clear majority in its state (Turkey should also provide security guarantee only for the TC state)

Unless politicians on both sides accept the above package, we will be banging our heads for another 36 years.

You make some very valid points which Im sure many Tcs would take and consider very seriously.

[antifon]

Antifon

If your approach is followed, then in 10 or 15 years there will be a population of settlers that exceeds the GC population, most of whom will have been in Cyprus for decades and no court will allow you to deport them. If you think the US or the EU will come and force them out, then you're a fuckwit.

Tony-4497, are you a Cypriot?

[boulio]

i think he is a realistic one.

[antifon]

Turkey played and lost. Turkish society will soon be told the ugly truth of their country's role in Cyprus. No solution to Cyprus' Turkish problem means realistically three things:

1. a Cyprus Republic, member of the UN & the EU, with 1/3 of its territory illegally occupied;
2. a status-quo with Turkish wishful thinking of pseudo-state recognition in the future;
3. a UN which cannot but recognize that in Cyprus there is only one legal entity & Turkey is in violation of numerous of UN's own resolutions

[IT IS ENJOYABLE TO HEAR TURKISH POLITICIANS SPEAK OF THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF LIBYA,OR EVEN TURKEY'S INTEGRITY WHEN THEY SPEAK WITH BARZANI];


At the end of the day no one denies that in Cyprus there are essentially two problems:

1. an intercommunal conflict, much like the Kurdo-Turkish one brewing for the last several decades in Turkey;
2. an illegal invasion/division/occupation/ethnic cleansing/colonization by Turkey against Cyprus;

The latter is the one that concerns the international community. The former is for the Cyprus Republic to deal with.

As these facts will remain on the ground in Cyprus as problem will slowly begin to unveil the hypocrisy of the Turkish establishments: the Kurdish issue.

In essence, the Kurdish issue enjoys striking similarities with Cyprus' Turkish Cypriot problem. The Kurdish ethnic minority of Turkey, a whopping 22+% of Turkey's population [over 20 million], has been denied 90% of the rights that Turkey insists Cyprus must grant its 10% T/C minority!

Just the other day a leading Kurdish politician was saying:
"Kurdish people do not want to be ruled by others [Turks] anymore; they want self-governance. (Vatan, 29-11-2010)
"Now the whole world knows the Kurds are resurrecting and fighting for their freedom. Policies of destruction and denial did not work." (Vatan, 29-11-2010)


Who can disagree that the T/C problem is an internal matter of the Cyprus Republic, much like the Kurdish issue is one of the Turkish Republic; it is about time Cyprus demands the UN tackle the international aspect of the problem caused by Turkey's illegal presence.

The hour of justice is fast approaching. You better believe it. And it will happen because authentic Turkish Cypriots will want it to happen!

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/wha ... on-by.html

[B25]

Antifon

If your approach is followed, then in 10 or 15 years there will be a population of settlers that exceeds the GC population, most of whom will have been in Cyprus for decades and no court will allow you to deport them. If you think the US or the EU will come and force them out, then you're a fuckwit.

Tony-4497, are you a Cypriot?

Tony is only interested in the return of his land in the north. So by reducing to 20% he gets it back or gets 'exchange' land. Another one who wants to sell us to the turks to get is property back and to hell with Cyprus.

I'll tell you what boys, why don't we just lower our pants and bend for them as well and we could all say thany you later.

FFS grow a back bone will ya?

[mem101]

VP - no I don't live in Cyprus.

GR - you realise that England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland are all independent countries and any one of them can opt out of the UK at any time they wish.

[Viewpoint]

If you live in the UK i was just like you but once you come to live in Cyprus you are faced with the reality that neither side really wants a solution unless they get 100% of their demands.