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[repulsewarrior]

All of Cyprus is all of ours. How could anyone be happy to give up any part of it? Aside from that and the illegality and injustice of permanent partition, wouldn't it be tragic if such a small island were divided in two?

No, why would it be when the union under GC terms means our capitulation?

I never said anything about capitulation. A compromise has to be reached; a just and fair one which benefits all Cypriots in the long run. If this can't be achieved today (and I'm not saying it definitely can't), then we can hope for tomorrow. But how could you possibly hope to get the GCs to agree to permanent partition when a fair compromise is so difficult to reach? Don't forget that agreeing to permanent partition would mean the capitulation of the GCs... and the TCs - everyone loses and few gain anything.

I understand your position, viewpoint. We have been banging our heads against brick walls for a long time, but I for one will not give up hope. While some hope that waiting it out will eventually lead to victory for their "side," I believe that there will eventually be a generation with the courage and humility to compromise and end the status quo.

cheers!

no compromise; Humanity, bettered.

read the manifesto i wrote.

[Tony-4497]

VP, you have a point - we are banging our heads against a wall, because the plans currently being discussed can never be accepted by GCs at referendum.

My personal feeling is that the ONLY solution that can be accepted by BOTH sides in the foreseeable future is one based on 3 key principles:

1. Near-sovereignty of the 2 component states (to make it acceptable to TCs), absolute minimum connection at the top to ensure single representation in the EU

2. Land sharing closer to the ownership and population ratios, up to say 22% max for TC state (ensuring solution is seen by GCs as better than Status Quo, and eliminating need for "compensation", which noone is willing or able to pay i.e. property issue resolved ONLY by exchange, and extremely few GCs will return to properties in the TC state - Christofias already accepted this)

3. Cast-iron guarantees by UN under Ch7/ EU/ others on 2 things: (a) security (b) immigration control ensuring each community will remain a clear majority in its state (Turkey should also provide security guarantee only for the TC state)

Unless politicians on both sides accept the above package, we will be banging our heads for another 36 years.

[antifon]

VP, you have a point - we are banging our heads against a wall, because the plans currently being discussed can never be accepted by GCs at referendum.

My personal feeling is that the ONLY solution that can be accepted by BOTH sides in the foreseeable future is one based on 3 key principles:

1. Near-sovereignty of the 2 component states (to make it acceptable to TCs), absolute minimum connection at the top to ensure single representation in the EU

2. Land sharing closer to the ownership and population ratios, up to say 22% max for TC state (ensuring solution is seen by GCs as better than Status Quo, and eliminating need for "compensation", which noone is willing or able to pay i.e. property issue resolved ONLY by exchange, and extremely few GCs will return to properties in the TC state - Christofias already accepted this)

3. Cast-iron guarantees by UN under Ch7/ EU/ others on 2 things: (a) security (b) immigration control ensuring each community will remain a clear majority in its state (Turkey should also provide security guarantee only for the TC state)

Unless politicians on both sides accept the above package, we will be banging our heads for another 36 years.

Bogus! tCypriot will is not clear with the ethnic makeup alteration that has already occured in the occupied part.

tCypriots are at the end of their rope. More of them leaving means Turkey has no right to be in Cyprus. 100% Greek Cyprus. Just like the Turkish press calls RoC today. "Brave" tCypriots will be integrated into the RoC as equal citizens with no community rights. Turkey will be forced to withdraw by the EU and the US. The Kurdish issue will become Turkey's new Cyprus problem, from a majority perspective this time around.

Else, tCypriots accept a fair compromise based on:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html By far their best option.

Read my blog for more.

[TSJ]

Toally agree with Tony-4497's above post.

[B25]

3. Cast-iron guarantees by UN under Ch7/ EU/ others on 2 things: (a) security (b) immigration control ensuring each community will remain a clear majority in its state (Turkey should also provide security guarantee only for the TC state)

Total bollocks. This is a major cause of the Cyprus conflict and you want us to sign AGAIN guaranteeship FFS.

You need to get a grip. We want Turkey outta here for good. Any cheap trick like this will see another NO Vote for sure.
You got your first one here.

[Tony-4497]

Antifon

If your approach is followed, then in 10 or 15 years there will be a population of settlers that exceeds the GC population, most of whom will have been in Cyprus for decades and no court will allow you to deport them. If you think the US or the EU will come and force them out, then you're a fuckwit.

[Tony-4497]

B25

I would rather give up 20 or 22% of Cyprus and save the rest than continue on the current path which leads either to us being forced to accept an Annan-plan solution (which is the worst of both worlds) or allowing the status quo to continue for another say 15 years, which will wipe out TCs completely, and unfortunately also create a massive Anatolian population that no force in this world will ever be able to move away from Cyprus.

I also feel that unless we get "enough" land back, our only option will be the long-term struggle (which means Status Quo for say 15 years), however, in such a case it will be crucial to use Turkey's EU process to block the inflow of further settlers i.e. no chapters open unless regular independend census prove that settlers have stopped coming.

[Bananiot]

Too late, far too late! Turkey has lost interest in the EU and our EU hand has been burned and as always we sob over debris.

[boulio]

i wonder if the t/c would agree to a system like that of macau and hing kong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

[Tony-4497]

Bananiot

I don't quite agree, but, be that as it may, I still think that rejecting the Annan plan was right, as it gave us the worst of both worlds and we are better off, even as we are now, than we would have been had we accepted it.

I do however note that in 2003 Turkey might have been more willing to accept a solution as I describe it above, if Tasos had really pushed for it.

Our tragedy today is that our president has gone completely the other way and is effectively proposing a solution that will simply not pass a GC referendum.