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[-mikkie2-]

The TC's said yes to turning Cyprus into a Turkish protectorate, they said yes to steal 2/3rds of Greek Cypriot property in the north, they said yes to give Britain sovereign territorial rights over the base areas as well as sea rights, they said yes to Turkey having effective control of the federal government, they said yes to the GC's to be made 2nd class citizens if they wanted to return to the north, they said yes to the eventual Turkification of the island of Cyprus.

The GC' said no to the above, but they will say yes if Cyprus is allowed to exercise proper democracy and would vote yes to an island whose territorial integrity is not compromised and would vote yes if the rule of law is respected. And that does NOT mean compromising the TC's.

[Piratis]

TCs said "Yes" to the Annan plan. They said yes to reducing Turkish soldiers from 40.000 to 650, they said yes to return of significant land, they said yes to living not ethnically pure state...want me to count more? It's GCs that need to show TCs that they really want TCs to have a voice in Cyprus.

The Annan partition plan simply legalized the illegal actions of Turkey, giving TCs the separate state that they always illegally demanded with an association with the GCs that was just enough to let them get money from GCs and EU - and enough for Turkey to secure that Cyprus will never be able to make any problems in their EU accession (since TCs would now be able to veto everything). While compromises on our side mean compromises on basic human rights and democracy, compromises on the Turkish side means that they make 100 outrageous and illegal demands and then they accept just 80 of them to be implemented. Under such terms we are simply forced to be enemies and be sure that it in this "cold war" between us both sides will have a lot to loose.

[MicAtCyp]

TCs said "Yes" to the Annan plan. They said yes to reducing Turkish soldiers from 40.000 to 650, they said yes to return of significant land, they said yes to living not ethnically pure state...want me to count more? It's GCs that need to show TCs that they really want TCs to have a voice in Cyprus.

Metecyp were you present in this forum all along? If this is all you can say after thousands of posts on the Anan Plan then I think it's totally useless for me even participating here. To whom am I talking here to deaf?

By the way did you read the Anan Plan?

[MicAtCyp]

And we're in the mess of today where Europeans are taking over our island ....

Do you mean the selling of land to them? If yes you are absolutely right. And it is not only to the Northern part. The whole Paphos area is on sale today. 130,000 pounds for a scala/donum are quite usual prices. I met a land developer at Paphos the other day, I know him ever since he started 6 years ago, he was a frightened and insecure young man then. Now in just 6 years time he is a millionaire from the sale of land 99% going to foreigners-many of them Russians btw.

He had very interesting theories to support this happening.He said the more people are here the better for us, we will develope in all fields more rapidly and become stronger faster. He even told me he didn't like the Anan Plan but he voted yes so we become more. He even wanted all the settlers to stay for the same reason.
Anyway the theory of this man was generally "the more we are, the more foreigners we bring in, the more CYPRIOTS will eventually be, and so the better.

I told him re koumbare don't look at yourself, you are a millionaire no problem for you, you can buy anything you want. But how about the average working man how could he even buy some land to build a house for him when the prices (from your sellings to foreigners) went sky rocket. The average people will not even be able to pay the interest to the Bank.

[metecyp]

Do you mean the selling of land to them? If yes you are absolutely right. And it is not only to the Northern part. The whole Paphos area is on sale today.

Yes that's what I meant. The issue of land ownership (which I think is the most complicated aspect of Cyprus problem) is getting even more complicated. Now we have European citizens buying Greek Cypriot land in the north. How are we going to deal with those?

[MicAtCyp]

Go here to see the hypocritic foreigners making a total fiest of our properties.See the wolves dancing over dead bodies, and feel the ultimate of disgust.

http://groups.msn.com/NorthernCyprusTRN ... neral.msnw

The nasty old man used MSN to make a bussiness for himself "if you need anything, anything at all..." he says.... A site with 950 !!! members already, imagine how many more are looting the properties at the North.
Dare become a member and post something the crooky old man will not like, or is against his commercial interests, he will bann you immediately and delete your message/s. He did this to me within 2 hours!
Anyway this will not remain unanswered. I will complain directly to Microsoft, in the meantime I ask for your support.
1)Please go to that site, and read some posts.Judge for yourself.
2)If you have something to say get registered, and post your message.I warn you if the message is not in line with their dancing you will be banned immediately.
3)Then support me to my complain to Microsoft.(A link will be provided later.)

Please give a feedback in this thread so I know whether I am fighting alone or with your support.

[-mikkie2-]

MicAtCyp,

The issue of properties will now start unravelling. I guess you know about the Supreme Court decision on the TC that successfully gained back his property in the south yesterday. It really was only a matter of time before that happened.

To me that is actually good news because it will show that TC's are treated as equal citizens. It will also enhance the legal organs of the Republic and degrade even more the illegal organs of the Turks in the north.

Of course it is not so good for the refugees that will have to leave the house they occupied for the last 30 years, but in the end this will only highlight the continued effects of the invasion and occupation of Cyprus and perhaps elevate in the minds of people what is the actual problem that is stopping a just solution from coming about.

The ECHR for example will see that TC's are not precluded from reclaiming their properties in the South so any argument by the Turks thats suggests the TC's can't get theirs in the South will simply be laughed out of court.

This should be seen as a positive thing.

What are your views?

[-mikkie2-]

MicAtCyp,

I have seen the site that you mentioned.

My opinion, is that these people will eventually get what they deserve.

I have said this in the past on the CyprusTalks forum, that our future rests in the hands of the Turkish Cypriots. They are allowing crooks to make money off our own backs, they are allowing people from Europe to buy property illegally, they are selling themselves short as well as us. What they need to see is that they are actually selling their own future as well as ours. They will eventually be the biggest loosers if they allow this situation to continue.

The total value of property deals in the north in the past 6 months amounts to 2bn dollars. This money is largely going into the pockets of crooks that are not even Cypriots, it is going to pay the cheap wages of the Turks brought in from Turkey for their labour and from cheap materials that are being imported into the north. In short, most of this money is not staying in Cyprus or to enhance the lives of the Turkish Cypriots in the north. We are all being fleeced! I just hope that TC's realise this too and start doing something about it.

[PEACE]

We are all being fleeced! I just hope that TC's realise this too and start doing something about it.

Like what? You are also saying that crooks are not even Cypriot.These properties are given to them illegally and now selling these and becoming reach.I heard that most of them are Turkish settelers brought from Turkey.Now they are selling that GCs properties and getting so much money.

[metecyp]

Now they are selling that GCs properties and getting so much money.

Yes and when we agree on a solution, they'll probably go back to Turkey as millioners and we'll be in Cyprus trying to figure out what land belongs to who and who gets what. Now do we understand why we need a solution NOW?

Like what?

I believe something can be done if there's a will. The so-called pro-peace government in the north can put some kind of restriction on all this construction or property sales to foreigners if they really want to stop it. But I'm not even sure if they want to stop it.