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[supporttheunderdog]

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[Get Real!]

And what's with the skid-marked g-string for your avatar?

[supporttheunderdog]

And what's with the skid-marked g-string for your avatar?

Its Piratis - it seems to me (and I must admit I cannot quite follow his line of reasoning ) that according to him Migrants to a country instantly and magically take on the local genos - he seems to think that all of the ethnic Pakistanis, Indians, Africans, West Indians etc, who live in England are English.

Does tht include all of the Cypriots livin' in Nof Lundun , I wonder??? Have they too ceased being Cypriot but become English?

They may be British Citizens - no problem at all with that - but they are not English, which is a Genos/Ethnos,

However following his logic if the immigrants to England have become English upon migrating here to what he calls a Greek Island I must now be Greek!!!

In honour of this I hve changed my Avatar.

By his line of reasonoing it of course follows that the Turkish speaking Cypriots must be Greek too!!!!!!!

[SKI-preo]

isn't it the mother of all ironies that cyprus celebrates its "independence" from colonial rule on april fools day? that woz some joke... though not a very practical one.

The Cypriot independence prank was better than Snooki's Cheese bed prank on the Situation.

[Bananiot]

Zallongos dance history

Do you expect the forum idiots to know about this quattro? Let me tell you a small detail regarding the mythical "dance of Zalongou". The women that fell off the cliffs did not speak Greek. They spoke Albanian. How many GC schoolchildren (past and present) know this? Well, this is how history is taught in Greek schools.

Humanist

But I do not recall being taught that at the same time there was a move during that time for Enosis. I believe that the failed enosis movement was the aim of Eoka B which of course and thankfully failed otherwise we'd be broke like Greece today. Any clarity would be appreiated and its 6.30am now here am not about to call my dad to see what he learnt as a child back then.

Humanist, dad doesn't always know best. EOKA struggled not for the independence of Cyprus. It struggled for enosis and only enosis. School kids were shouting at the top of their voice "e,e,e,e,enosis" during the late 50's, guided by EOKA agitators. They even got our Deniz to shout!

[cymart]

I wonder how many Greek-Cypriots can speak Albanian???Anyway,to come back to the subject,my wifes grandfather,who was a Greek-Cypriot born in Larnaca but lived in Famagusta,said on the day he died in late 1953,that the Cypriots would be digging their own graves if they tried to fight for Union with Greece and get the British to leave Cyprus by force.....perhaps he understood the wider implications and saw how the Cold War had already formed spheres of influence in this part of the world??Looking back on all that has happened since,he has sadly been proved right,yet some fools still celebrate what was effectively a nail in the coffin of Cyprus and led some mis-guided and innocent young men to their deaths,goaded on by so-called pseudo patriots whose descendants are still spouting the same poisonous nationalistic rubbish today!
The first of April is celebrated elsewhere as a day when spring begins-and also the day of fools!It seems we still have plenty of the latter here!When will they ever learn?

[EricSeans]

Zallongos dance history

Do you expect the forum idiots to know about this quattro? Let me tell you a small detail regarding the mythical "dance of Zalongou". The women that fell off the cliffs did not speak Greek. They spoke Albanian. How many GC schoolchildren (past and present) know this? Well, this is how history is taught in Greek schools.

Humanist

But I do not recall being taught that at the same time there was a move during that time for Enosis. I believe that the failed enosis movement was the aim of Eoka B which of course and thankfully failed otherwise we'd be broke like Greece today. Any clarity would be appreiated and its 6.30am now here am not about to call my dad to see what he learnt as a child back then.

Humanist, dad doesn't always know best. EOKA struggled not for the independence of Cyprus. It struggled for enosis and only enosis. School kids were shouting at the top of their voice "e,e,e,e,enosis" during the late 50's, guided by EOKA agitators. They even got our Deniz to shout!

There's a passage in Durrell's Bitter Lemons, set in 1950s Cyprus. One of the young men fixing the author's house in Bellapaix walks past him carrying the U-bend for the toilet and shouts: "Hey English - Enosis!"

[Piratis]

And what's with the skid-marked g-string for your avatar?

Its Piratis - it seems to me (and I must admit I cannot quite follow his line of reasoning ) that according to him Migrants to a country instantly and magically take on the local genos - he seems to think that all of the ethnic Pakistanis, Indians, Africans, West Indians etc, who live in England are English.

Does tht include all of the Cypriots livin' in Nof Lundun , I wonder??? Have they too ceased being Cypriot but become English?

They may be British Citizens - no problem at all with that - but they are not English, which is a Genos/Ethnos,

However following his logic if the immigrants to England have become English upon migrating here to what he calls a Greek Island I must now be Greek!!!

In honour of this I hve changed my Avatar.

By his line of reasonoing it of course follows that the Turkish speaking Cypriots must be Greek too!!!!!!!

Never said "instantly" or "magically". It is a process that happens over several generations, and only if the people are willing to assimilate.

So no, you are not Greek. Not only you are a first generation immigrant, but you have shown no desire to assimilate to the society here (I bet you didn't even make an effort to learn Greek).

What you today call "English" is indeed a mix of various people. From the pre-historic people that inhabited what is now England, to Celts, Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings to people that came (or were brought) more recently such as slaves from Africa or people from the other British colonies.

And yes, when you take a small community of Cypriots (or any other ethnic group) and you mix them with a much larger community, after a few generations those people will be assimilated. Do you really think that after 4-5 generations those people will still call themselves Cypriot? This can happen only if there is an organized policy of preserving a separate identity for those people, by having them to marry each other, go to separate special schools etc. And even with such methods in the long run small minorities will eventually be assimilated.

[Piratis]

Zallongos dance history

Do you expect the forum idiots to know about this quattro? Let me tell you a small detail regarding the mythical "dance of Zalongou". The women that fell off the cliffs did not speak Greek. They spoke Albanian. How many GC schoolchildren (past and present) know this? Well, this is how history is taught in Greek schools.

Humanist

But I do not recall being taught that at the same time there was a move during that time for Enosis. I believe that the failed enosis movement was the aim of Eoka B which of course and thankfully failed otherwise we'd be broke like Greece today. Any clarity would be appreiated and its 6.30am now here am not about to call my dad to see what he learnt as a child back then.

Humanist, dad doesn't always know best. EOKA struggled not for the independence of Cyprus. It struggled for enosis and only enosis. School kids were shouting at the top of their voice "e,e,e,e,enosis" during the late 50's, guided by EOKA agitators. They even got our Deniz to shout!

enosis = freedom. The first Greek state was only a fraction of what it is today. Greek territories and islands were gradually liberated and united (enosis) to form a bigger Greek state.

Having our nation divided into pieces instead of being united is something that serves only the interests of foreigners and not our interests.

The British and the Turks never cared to give to Cyprus a true independence. There is no independent country which has its constitution written by foreigners, with foreign "guarantors", foreign armies, foreign bases, foreign judges of the supreme court, and with a minority created by foreign invaders been given privileges and veto powers on the expense of the democratic rights of the majority of the population.

What the British and the Turks cared about is to keep Cyprus isolated from the rest of Greece to make it easier for themselves to continue abusing and exploiting our island.

[Bananiot]

Enosis=union

Piratis, just admit it, it's easier!