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[B25]

Yes she does pay for all of Turkey and she controls ALL of turkey, thats just the point Andreas was making.

But since you like to be Turkeys bitch then go ahead see if we care.

So you admission that you do NOT control 'trnc' was most welcome.

[humanist]

VP

Doesnt she pay for all of Turkey? what difference does it make?

Difference is you are saying as a community you have autonomy and you control your destiny and decision blah blah blah. You have just admitted that you are a part of Turkey like any other.

We say We want Freedom from the occupiers of our Country because the remaining TC's in the "trnc" admit to be Turks and therefore deserve to live there and free Cyprus for Cypriots.

VP my other honest sumation is that your a Turks not TC and therefore you cannot see the situation without Turkish propaganda and interests. Because the TC community today has nothing other than living of the suffering of others. Which by the way we have gotten used too but not ready to allow the Attila to have it.

[supporttheunderdog]

I'd just like to make the point that it was Cypriots who first walked away from the treaties by continuing to seek Enosis and/or Takism after the 1959 agreements and foundation of the Republic in 1960: see for example the original 'A'plan (A for Acritas) and Makarios' speeches even as late a 67 as examples - the TMT were just as bad - a Plague on both your houses.

So the treaty was not perfect but IMHO with a resurgent Turkey and its geopolitical interests (without the need to think about the Turkish speaking Cypriots) Enosis was ilways likely to end up with war: However if the locals couldn't give a toss for what they signed up to, why should the guarantors, or were the continued Enosis/Takism campaign all a dastardly American/British plot?

Had the Greek Speaking Cypriots abandoned Enosis post 1963 then Takism would have had even less justification (and after 1960 there was little to none)

[Viewpoint]

Yes she does pay for all of Turkey and she controls ALL of turkey, thats just the point Andreas was making.

But since you like to be Turkeys bitch then go ahead see if we care.

So you admission that you do NOT control 'trnc' was most welcome.

Hello do the people of Izmir control Izmir or does Turkey and what difference does it make?

[Viewpoint]

VP

Doesnt she pay for all of Turkey? what difference does it make?

Difference is you are saying as a community you have autonomy and you control your destiny and decision blah blah blah. You have just admitted that you are a part of Turkey like any other.

We say We want Freedom from the occupiers of our Country because the remaining TC's in the "trnc" admit to be Turks and therefore deserve to live there and free Cyprus for Cypriots.

VP my other honest sumation is that your a Turks not TC and therefore you cannot see the situation without Turkish propaganda and interests. Because the TC community today has nothing other than living of the suffering of others. Which by the way we have gotten used too but not ready to allow the Attila to have it.

Humanist who supports and recognizes the TRNC? We have discussed this over and over again why are you so surprised?

Im not a Turk Im a Turkish Cypriot but in time as our children mix and marry Turks we will admittedly become more and more Turkish and less less Cypriot, the lesser of the two evils.

Without an attractive solution why do we need autonomy?

You lost the game in 1974 only problem you have yet to realize this fact. If you are unable to fight to take the north there is absolutely nothing you can do to get it back on your own terms. You have to compromise to a degree where TCs will want to unite otherwise they will not demand autonomy nor ask Turkey to leave, what you have to date placed on the table is no more than capitulation for TCs.

[mem101]

I'd just like to make the point that it was Cypriots who first walked away from the treaties by continuing to seek Enosis and/or Takism after the 1959 agreements and foundation of the Republic in 1960: see for example the original 'A'plan (A for Acritas) and Makarios' speeches even as late a 67 as examples - the TMT were just as bad - a Plague on both your houses.

So the treaty was not perfect but IMHO with a resurgent Turkey and its geopolitical interests (without the need to think about the Turkish speaking Cypriots) Enosis was ilways likely to end up with war: However if the locals couldn't give a toss for what they signed up to, why should the guarantors, or were the continued Enosis/Takism campaign all a dastardly American/British plot?

Had the Greek Speaking Cypriots abandoned Enosis post 1963 then Takism would have had even less justification (and after 1960 there was little to none)

A fair point, supporttheunderdog. I wonder though, why did the UK not exercise her right under the Treaty of Guarantee and launch a joint intervention campaign with Turkey in 1974? If she had done so, the situation in Cyprus today may have been very, very different.

[humanist]

Yes we have lost the game and I do agree

No we are not able to take on Turkey you are right there too.

Cyprus is not Turkish and never will be. Turkey may or may not continue to occupy a part of cyprus but getting it legally will not be achieved either.

[bill cobbett]

I'd just like to make the point that it was Cypriots who first walked away from the treaties by continuing to seek Enosis and/or Takism after the 1959 agreements and foundation of the Republic in 1960: see for example the original 'A'plan (A for Acritas) and Makarios' speeches even as late a 67 as examples - the TMT were just as bad - a Plague on both your houses.

So the treaty was not perfect but IMHO with a resurgent Turkey and its geopolitical interests (without the need to think about the Turkish speaking Cypriots) Enosis was ilways likely to end up with war: However if the locals couldn't give a toss for what they signed up to, why should the guarantors, or were the continued Enosis/Takism campaign all a dastardly American/British plot?

Had the Greek Speaking Cypriots abandoned Enosis post 1963 then Takism would have had even less justification (and after 1960 there was little to none)

A fair point, supporttheunderdog. I wonder though, why did the UK not exercise her right under the Treaty of Guarantee and launch a joint intervention campaign with Turkey in 1974? If she had done so, the situation in Cyprus today may have been very, very different.

Oooooh may i butt in please boys....

A Very interesting question... and such an intervention need not have been a military one, a diplomatic one would have been sufficient. Perhaps in there lies part of the answer.

In any event Turkey was determined on doing what it was logistically incapable of doing in 63/64 against an undivided defence, a massive military, ethnic cleansing operation against a divided one.

... but as needs saying again, as the Coup was finished, and Big Mak was safe and restored, no kind of intervention was needed of course.

[supporttheunderdog]

I'd just like to make the point that it was Cypriots who first walked away from the treaties by continuing to seek Enosis and/or Takism after the 1959 agreements and foundation of the Republic in 1960: see for example the original 'A'plan (A for Acritas) and Makarios' speeches even as late a 67 as examples - the TMT were just as bad - a Plague on both your houses.

So the treaty was not perfect but IMHO with a resurgent Turkey and its geopolitical interests (without the need to think about the Turkish speaking Cypriots) Enosis was ilways likely to end up with war: However if the locals couldn't give a toss for what they signed up to, why should the guarantors, or were the continued Enosis/Takism campaign all a dastardly American/British plot?

Had the Greek Speaking Cypriots abandoned Enosis post 1963 then Takism would have had even less justification (and after 1960 there was little to none)

A fair point, supporttheunderdog. I wonder though, why did the UK not exercise her right under the Treaty of Guarantee and launch a joint intervention campaign with Turkey in 1974? If she had done so, the situation in Cyprus today may have been very, very different.

Under Harold Wislon and his hung Parliament? And at the start of Summer?