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[ZoC]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

[Viewpoint]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

Be much easier if you just fucked off.

[ZoC]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

Be much easier if you just fucked off.

only for u. but u see, i'm not here to make ur life easy.

[Viewpoint]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

Be much easier if you just fucked off.

only for u. but u see, i'm not here to make ur life easy.

No believe me everyone would be better off if one person namely yourself fucked off this island.

[wyoming cowboy]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/our-view-athens-nicosia-co-operation-died-2004/20110327

NOT VERY much was made of the WikLeaks revelations, about the rather peculiar relations between the governments of Athens and Nicosia in the aftermath of the 2004 referendum, published by the Greek newspaper Kathimerini. Some have already dismissed the observations contained in the telegrams sent by US ambassador in Athens Charles Ries as gossip, but this is because some unpalatable truths are mentioned.

Despite the public assurances by the governments – of Costas Karamanlis and Tassos Papadopoulos – that there was close co-operation on the Cyprus issue and unified policy, the truth was quite different. The then Greek foreign minister Petros Molyviatis, reportedly admitted that he could not communicate with his Cypriot counterpart, George Iacovou on Turkey-EU matters and therefore avoided talking to him.

Molyviatis was also reported as saying that President Papadopoulos was not “particularly popular among Greek officials but had more leverage over Greece than Greece had over Cyprus.” Prime Minister Karamanlis kept his distance from Papadopoulos, while Molyviatis, reportedly, did everything he could to avoid Iacovou. The source of Ries’ information was Molyviatis, who, as foreign minister, heaped lavish praise on Papadopoulos in public and paid lip service to the supposedly impeccable co-operation between Athens and Nicosia. He often repeated the mantra that “Cyprus decides and Greece supports”, which really means that Greece washes its hands of Cyprus.

An explanation about Athens’ vociferous public support of Papadopoulos’ decisions was contained in another telegram sent by the US embassy in Athens. The Karamanlis government was “more afraid of creating the impression on the voters that it doesn’t support its Greek ‘little brother’ than that it feared the Turkish troops in northern Cyprus.”

The arrangement suited Nicosia as it could pursue its own objectives while maintaining the myth of co-operation. But there was no joint decision-making as Greece chose to go its separate way in dealing with Turkey. Ries wrote: “Molyviatis believes and we agree that relations with Ankara are much too important to be held hostage by Papadopoulos’ negative stance.” While this has been obvious since the referendum, the telegrams offer proof.

Greek-Turkish co-operation has become much stronger in recent years and the Papandreou government has been pursuing the normalisation of relations with Ankara even more determinedly than its predecessor. George Papandreou and his foreign minister still resort to the public rhetoric about impeccable co-operation with Nicosia but this is even more difficult to believe now that Demetris Christofias is in power.

Christofias has never been a champion of close ties with Greece and only a few months ago advertised his disdain for Greece by accusing her of invading Cyprus with Turkey. AKEL has nursed a long-held animosity and distrust towards the Greek state, which dates back to the Cold War era, when AKEL was loyally following the orders of the Soviet Communist Party. Even now his public statements give the impression that he is closer to Russia than Greece.

AKEL’S arrogance towards Athens was laid bare by one of the telegrams from the US embassy in Nicosia, made public by WikiLeaks. It reported the party’s then parliamentary spokesman Nicos Katsourides saying the following regarding the appointment of a new, Greek foreign minister, who was not to the liking of Nicosia: “No Greek politician can afford a falling out with us. She will eventually have to make a pilgrimage here and she will have to say all the right things. Otherwise she will pay the price back home.”

This has been Christofias’ approach to his relations with Greece. He demands that Athens publicly endorses all his decisions on the Cyprus problem and repeats his rhetoric; he also arranges the occasional meeting with Papandreou to create the illusion of co-operation. Last year he went as far as to boast that a group of legal experts had been set up at Greece’s foreign ministry to offer advice on the handling of the Cyprus problem. It was nothing more than a gimmick.

The reality is that the close and constructive, Athens-Nicosia co-operation which existed during the Clerides presidency and paved the way for Cyprus’ entry into the EU, died in 2004. Christofias, like Papadopoulos before him, is not interested in joint decision making; he wants to call all the shots and Athens to publicly back him. Athens has shown full respect for these wishes, as it could not impose close ties unilaterally, leaving Cyprus to do as it pleases while focusing on full normalisation of relations with Turkey.

The rhetoric about co-operation may continue, but the truth is that we are on our own, quite astonishingly, by our government’s choice.


given the clear difference, which of the two has been pursuing 'hellenic' interests, since 2004, do you think, cyprus or greece?

how interesting a few weeks ago the tc were severing their ties with turkey and now wikileaks comes out with this ???? who thinks this is coincidental or a ploy to get both sides closer together?

[Get Real!]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

Be much easier if you just fucked off.

only for u. but u see, i'm not here to make ur life easy.

No believe me everyone would be better off if one person namely yourself fucked off this island.

Why don't you both fuck off this thread seeing you've got nothing interesting to post!

[ZoC]

The refugees are being conned by the GCs has they have the Greek state they want without the TCs all they have to do is go through the motions to be seen to want a solution.

if ur so concerned about the refugees, tell turkey, her settlers and the brit carpet munchers to f*ck off out of it so the refugees can go home... and while ur at it, you can f*ck off out of it too! (do us all a favour).

Be much easier if you just fucked off.

only for u. but u see, i'm not here to make ur life easy.

No believe me everyone would be better off if one person namely yourself fucked off this island.

Why don't you both fuck off this thread seeing you've got nothing interesting to post!

he started it....