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[supporttheunderdog]

In a post about the ancestory of Cypriots, in an attempt to divert attention Piratis began to make assertions about the ancestory of the English.

According to the most recent reasearch, and contrary to popular belief, the English are NOT predominantly descended from the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, but probably from Neolithic peoples who probably came to Brtitain from Spain along the Atlantic coast, in the period after the end of the last glacial maximum and before the Channel land-bridge was flooded/destroyed, i.e. between 10,000 and 7,500 years ago. By and large later invaders / immigrants do not appear to have each added more than 5% to the British gene pool: locally there are some greater levels, probably descended from concentrations of settlers/invaders, but predominantly both MtDNA and YDNA. tends to support a longer term stable population.

The Anglo-Saxon genetic origin is something of myth.

see the work of Sykes, Oppenheimer etc
http://www.jogg.info/31/campbell.pdf
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/ ... hancestry/

One school of thought suggests that the Germanic language that modern ERnglish is descended from may in fact have been present in Britain since before the time of the Romans, though the jury is out on that one.

See http://www.proto-english.org/sum1.html

To answer one question of Piratis there is threfore a perobablity that the principal source peoples of my ancestors came from the peoples who built Stone Henge.

[CBBB]

Still a load of bastards!

[supporttheunderdog]

Just like you then....

[Sotos]

Great! So go convince the people of your own country that they are not English. When they are convinced let us know

[SpartanGamer]

Proving nothing other than that the indigenous people of the British isles are the Irish, Welsh and Scots - exactly where the Romans forced the (original) Celtic natives to go!

[Paphitis]

This thread is so poetic!

Oh the intelligence oozes between the lines....

Ya know...I need to get some bloody sleep. How inconsiderate of you! I am now glued to my chair!

[supporttheunderdog]

Proving nothing other than that the indigenous people of the British isles are the Irish, Welsh and Scots - exactly where the Romans forced the (original) Celtic natives to go!

which just gioes to show that you have not read the supporting data - the Romans did not drive the original inhabitants to Ireland, Wales and Scots:
neither did the Anglo Saxons or Normans or any other invader.

[bill cobbett]

Yep... we're still the same people in a kind of way.

It's Cultures that are modified by new influences, by new migrations, by conquests etc, not wholesale population movements or exchanges.

[supporttheunderdog]

For the avoidance of doubt no one human is any more raciallly pure, superior, inferior etc than any other - we ultimately are all descended from the same source and indeed most humans could have a common ancestor as claose back as 7500 years ago.

[SpartanGamer]

Proving nothing other than that the indigenous people of the British isles are the Irish, Welsh and Scots - exactly where the Romans forced the (original) Celtic natives to go!

which just gioes to show that you have not read the supporting data - the Romans did not drive the original inhabitants to Ireland, Wales and Scots:
neither did the Anglo Saxons or Normans or any other invader.

Sykes and Oppenheimer argued for significant immigration from Iberia into Britain and Ireland. Much of this argument was based upon Y DNA evidence, however by 2010 several major Y DNA studies presented more complete data, showing that the oldest-surviving male lineages had mostly migrated to Britain from the Balkans, and ultimately from the Middle East, not from Iberia.

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