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[Tim Drayton]

May I take this opportunity to wish all of our Kurdish and Zaza sisters and brothers a happy Newroz?

Newroz piroz be.

[antifon]

Happy Newroz!

Happy New Year to all our Kurdish friends and may they one day soon achieve a Turko-Kurdish federation, like the one discussed for Cyprus, to replace the current fascistic Turkish constitution.


Kemal Burkay, a 1937-born Kurdish poet in exile:

Had Turkey only recognized Kurdish rights earlier, there would neither be a Kurdish problem nor so many Kurdish uprisings from the start of the republic up until now. Neither would the Kurds have felt any need for illegal organizations, nor would a group like the PKK have ever emerged. The only way to completely rid Turkey of this problem now is to recognize all the basic rights of the Kurdish people. A solution based on the principle of equality is possible, there are many examples of this throughout the world, and as we see it, this would take the shape of a federation.
In addition, there are now even legal political parties that have adopted into their programs the suggestions I have made to solve the Kurdish problem. For example, the Rights and Freedoms Party [HAK-PAR] is proposing a federation as a solution.

Read more & find link to original article here >>
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/kem ... oblem.html

[Tim Drayton]

To any Zaza brothers and sisters out there:

Newroztan pîroz bêt.

[antifon]

To any Zaza brothers and sisters out there:

Newroztan pîroz bêt.

They, Zazas, already understood Tim.

There are about 1 million of them living in Turkey and most of them consider themselves as Kurds, constituting circa 5% of Turkey's Kurdish population. Zazaki is in fact a dialect of Kurdish, not a separate language. Kurdish itself is an ancient form of Iranian.

[Tim Drayton]

Let us not be intolerant on this day of festivity for all of the peoples who celebrate Newroz. It seems that bilingual billboards are now appearing all over Diyarbakır in both Kurdish and Zazaki. This, I believe is an example:



Let us adopt the same attitude of tolerance and salute both peoples in their own languages on this special day.

[insan]

Nevruz is a spring celebration observed widely by the Turkic peoples living in a wide territory that includes East and Central Asia, Siberia, the Caucasus, Crimea, Anatolia and the Balkans. It is also a holiday in Iran, a day that marks the beginning of the Iranian New Year. Nevruz generally falls around March 21, corresponding to the vernal equinox, when the day and night are of equal length. Nevruz is an official holiday in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and a public holiday in Turkey. Other Turkic peoples such as Uyghurs, Yakuts, Karakalpaks, Volga or Kazan Tatars, Bashkirs and Crimean Tatars also participate in spring celebrations.
Throughout the Turkic world, the arrival of spring is celebrated under different names: Navruz, Navriz, Novruz, Nooruz, Noruz, Sultan Nevruz, Mart Dokuzu (Ninth of March, corresponding to the vernal equinox in Rumi calendar), Yil Basi (New Year), Yeni Gün (New Day), Ulusun Ulu Günü (Great Day of the Nation) and Ergenekon Bayrami (Ergenekon Holiday). In the pre-Islamic Turkic calendar, the Twelve Animal Calendar, the new year began in March. Hence the association of Nevruz with the New Year. Nevruz is also regarded by some Turkic groups as a celebration of independence, a tradition rooted in the Ergenekon Destan (Epic). Accordingly, the forefathers of the Turkic people managed to set themselves free on the day of Nevruz and left the valley named Ergenekon, where they were confined.

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Middle ... 856930.htm

[antifon]

Let us not be intolerant on this day of festivity for all of the peoples who celebrate Newroz. It seems that bilingual billboards are now appearing all over Diyarbakır in both Kurdish and Zazaki. This, I believe is an example:



Let us adopt the same attitude of tolerance and salute both peoples in their own languages on this special day.

Tim Drayton, it does not take a genius to figure out that even from the sign you sent Zazaki is a dialect of Kurdish (Kurmanji). Just compare them, the Kurdish to the Zazaki writing. Do you still think they are different languages? Cm'on, you are smart!

Whether intentionally or not you come across as another Turkish propagandist. It is no secret that Turks promote the myth of Zazas being altogether different from Kurds as a way to divide Kurds. Turks like to boast that they have tens of minorities.They neglect to say that most are remnants of once powerful and vibrant communities which fascism took care of (Armenians, Greeks, etc) or that one minority stands out in that it is HUGE compared to any other [over 20 million], and a different nation altogether, with its own language and traditions, living in Kurdistan long before Turks ever arrived in the area.

The sign in fact is another way to dispel the Turkish rumor that Kurds are unrelated to Zazas. Nothing further from the truth and the sign is a testament. Kurds are a 20 million strong community which seeks NOTHING LESS within Turkey than the rights tCypriots wish to have in Cyprus.

Since you are such a Turkophile, I urge you to translate this sentence into Kurdish, Zazaki, and Turkish. Then compare them. Upon completion you too will know the difference between two languages & two dialects of the same language. Humor me and let me know after you complete the exercise.

No intolerance whatsoever! I am happy, as we all should be, for this day of the Kurdish nation. It is a hallmark of their Kurdishness and may they be free soon from the bondage of Turkish fascism. Which by the way you seem, either inadvertently or intentionally, to serve.

[insan]

Happy Newroz!

Happy New Year to all our Kurdish friends and may they one day soon achieve a Turko-Kurdish federation, like the one discussed for Cyprus, to replace the current fascistic Turkish constitution.


Kemal Burkay, a 1937-born Kurdish poet in exile:

Had Turkey only recognized Kurdish rights earlier, there would neither be a Kurdish problem nor so many Kurdish uprisings from the start of the republic up until now. Neither would the Kurds have felt any need for illegal organizations, nor would a group like the PKK have ever emerged. The only way to completely rid Turkey of this problem now is to recognize all the basic rights of the Kurdish people. A solution based on the principle of equality is possible, there are many examples of this throughout the world, and as we see it, this would take the shape of a federation.
In addition, there are now even legal political parties that have adopted into their programs the suggestions I have made to solve the Kurdish problem. For example, the Rights and Freedoms Party [HAK-PAR] is proposing a federation as a solution.

Read more & find link to original article here >>
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/kem ... oblem.html

In general, I agree with Kemal Burkay about the solution of the Kurdish problem... but the solution is not a federation... Kurdish problem is not the problem of Turkey only... 3 other neighbouring countries also have a similar Kurdish problem... on the other hand, Armenians also claim land for Greater Armenia on most parts of the area that Kurds claim it is theirs...

In this case, all relevant parties must first of all agree to solve this problem... Could they agree? Impossible...

Let's say Turks and Kurds established a federation in Turkey regardless of the political stance of other relevant parties... Wouldn't this give other neighbouring countries the opportunity to force their Kurdish minorities to immigrate not only to Kurdish Federated area but whole of Turkey even world?

Wouldn't a Kurdish Federation in Turkey, on the area that also Armenians claim land for Greater Armenia cause problems between Armenians, Kurds and Turks?

I personally am not against political equality(exactly the same one that i ask for TCs in Cyprus) of Turks and Kurds in a unitary Turkey... but there's no need for such a political equality because almost half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as Kurds or mixed ethnic origin... and almost other half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as muslims of Turkey...

Under such circumstances, only more democracy and a far better economy in Turkey can solve the Kurdish problem of Turkey but most of the world's leading countries and their lackeys don't want an economicallyb and politically stable, strong Turkey; solved all her problems... because they are fed by confusions and instabilities...

Ps: I think admin will either delete this post or move it to politics section... sorry for the inconvenience...

[antifon]

Happy Newroz!

Happy New Year to all our Kurdish friends and may they one day soon achieve a Turko-Kurdish federation, like the one discussed for Cyprus, to replace the current fascistic Turkish constitution.


Kemal Burkay, a 1937-born Kurdish poet in exile:

Had Turkey only recognized Kurdish rights earlier, there would neither be a Kurdish problem nor so many Kurdish uprisings from the start of the republic up until now. Neither would the Kurds have felt any need for illegal organizations, nor would a group like the PKK have ever emerged. The only way to completely rid Turkey of this problem now is to recognize all the basic rights of the Kurdish people. A solution based on the principle of equality is possible, there are many examples of this throughout the world, and as we see it, this would take the shape of a federation.
In addition, there are now even legal political parties that have adopted into their programs the suggestions I have made to solve the Kurdish problem. For example, the Rights and Freedoms Party [HAK-PAR] is proposing a federation as a solution.

Read more & find link to original article here >>
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/kem ... oblem.html

In general, I agree with Kemal Burkay about the solution of the Kurdish problem... but the solution is not a federation... Kurdish problem is not the problem of Turkey only... 3 other neighbouring countries also have a similar Kurdish problem... on the other hand, Armenians also claim land for Greater Armenia on most parts of the area that Kurds claim it is theirs...

In this case, all relevant parties must first of all agree to solve this problem... Could they agree? Impossible...

Let's say Turks and Kurds established a federation in Turkey regardless of the political stance of other relevant parties... Wouldn't this give other neighbouring countries the opportunity to force their Kurdish minorities to immigrate not only to Kurdish Federated area but whole of Turkey even world?

Wouldn't a Kurdish Federation in Turkey, on the area that also Armenians claim land for Greater Armenia cause problems between Armenians, Kurds and Turks?

I personally am not against political equality(exactly the same one that i ask for TCs in Cyprus) of Turks and Kurds in a unitary Turkey... but there's no need for such a political equality because almost half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as Kurds or mixed ethnic origin... and almost other half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as muslims of Turkey...

Under such circumstances, only more democracy and a far better economy in Turkey can solve the Kurdish problem of Turkey but most of the world's leading countries and their lackeys don't want an economicallyb and politically stable, strong Turkey; solved all her problems... because they are fed by confusions and instabilities...

Ps: I think admin will either delete this post or move it to politics section... sorry for the inconvenience...

Post again here:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus33652.html
so that I can respond without bothering the General Chatters.

[antifon]

Happy Newroz!

Happy New Year to all our Kurdish friends and may they one day soon achieve a Turko-Kurdish federation, like the one discussed for Cyprus, to replace the current fascistic Turkish constitution.


Kemal Burkay, a 1937-born Kurdish poet in exile:

Had Turkey only recognized Kurdish rights earlier, there would neither be a Kurdish problem nor so many Kurdish uprisings from the start of the republic up until now. Neither would the Kurds have felt any need for illegal organizations, nor would a group like the PKK have ever emerged. The only way to completely rid Turkey of this problem now is to recognize all the basic rights of the Kurdish people. A solution based on the principle of equality is possible, there are many examples of this throughout the world, and as we see it, this would take the shape of a federation.
In addition, there are now even legal political parties that have adopted into their programs the suggestions I have made to solve the Kurdish problem. For example, the Rights and Freedoms Party [HAK-PAR] is proposing a federation as a solution.

Read more & find link to original article here >>
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/kem ... oblem.html

In general, I agree with Kemal Burkay about the solution of the Kurdish problem... but the solution is not a federation... Kurdish problem is not the problem of Turkey only... 3 other neighbouring countries also have a similar Kurdish problem... on the other hand, Armenians also claim land for Greater Armenia on most parts of the area that Kurds claim it is theirs...

In this case, all relevant parties must first of all agree to solve this problem... Could they agree? Impossible...

Let's say Turks and Kurds established a federation in Turkey regardless of the political stance of other relevant parties... Wouldn't this give other neighbouring countries the opportunity to force their Kurdish minorities to immigrate not only to Kurdish Federated area but whole of Turkey even world?

Wouldn't a Kurdish Federation in Turkey, on the area that also Armenians claim land for Greater Armenia cause problems between Armenians, Kurds and Turks?

I personally am not against political equality(exactly the same one that i ask for TCs in Cyprus) of Turks and Kurds in a unitary Turkey... but there's no need for such a political equality because almost half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as Kurds or mixed ethnic origin... and almost other half of the Turkish parliamentarian assembly is consisted of mps that consider themselves as muslims of Turkey...

Under such circumstances, only more democracy and a far better economy in Turkey can solve the Kurdish problem of Turkey but most of the world's leading countries and their lackeys don't want an economicallyb and politically stable, strong Turkey; solved all her problems... because they are fed by confusions and instabilities...

Ps: I think admin will either delete this post or move it to politics section... sorry for the inconvenience...

See in bold above. Did you read that in the free Turkish press? Please provide a single piece of independent evidence to substantiate your propaganda.