antifon wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:Let us not be intolerant on this day of festivity for all of the peoples who celebrate Newroz. It seems that bilingual billboards are now appearing all over Diyarbakır in both Kurdish and Zazaki. This, I believe is an example:
Let us adopt the same attitude of tolerance and salute both peoples in their own languages on this special day.
Tim Drayton, it does not take a genius to figure out that even from the sign you sent Zazaki is a dialect of Kurdish (Kurmanji). Just compare them, the Kurdish to the Zazaki writing. Do you still think they are different languages? Cm'on, you are smart!
Whether intentionally or not you come across as another Turkish propagandist. It is no secret that Turks promote the myth of Zazas being altogether different from Kurds as a way to divide Kurds. Turks like to boast that they have tens of minorities.They neglect to say that most are remnants of once powerful and vibrant communities which fascism took care of (Armenians, Greeks, etc) or that one minority stands out in that it is HUGE compared to any other [over 20 million], and a different nation altogether, with its own language and traditions, living in Kurdistan long before Turks ever arrived in the area.
The sign in fact is another way to dispel the Turkish rumor that Kurds are unrelated to Zazas. Nothing further from the truth and the sign is a testament. Kurds are a 20 million strong community which seeks NOTHING LESS within Turkey than the rights tCypriots wish to have in Cyprus.
Since you are such a Turkophile, I urge you to translate this sentence into Kurdish, Zazaki, and Turkish. Then compare them. Upon completion you too will know the difference between two languages & two dialects of the same language. Humor me and let me know after you complete the exercise.
No intolerance whatsoever! I am happy, as we all should be, for this day of the Kurdish nation. It is a hallmark of their Kurdishness and may they be free soon from the bondage of Turkish fascism. Which by the way you seem, either inadvertently or intentionally, to serve.
Dear Man from U.N.C.L.E., when the junta that ruled Turkley after the 1980 coup went as far denying the very existence of a Kurdish people or language, and even tried to claim that Kurdish was just a mountain dialect of Turkish, this was a reflection of that junta's fascist ideology. The attempt to deny that there exists a Zaza people with their own distinct language, in my view, is equally fascist. If you feel so strongly about this issue, please start a separate thread about it. I don't see what the problem for your world view is, anyhow. Instead of one Kurdish people whose destiny it is to rise up and destroy Turkey before vanishing in a puff of smoke so that God's will of the Megali Idea can be realised, why can't this be the destiny of the Kurdish and Zaza peoples together? Don't forget that it was the Alevi Zazas who were behind the Dersim rebellion, the largest ever seen in the history of the Republic of Turkey.
This thread is in the general section and is simply meant as an expression of good will towards all the peoples who celebrated Newroz yesterday. I see post after post from the maniac fringe of Greek nationalism here declaring their undying support and fraternity for the Kurdish people (well, those that live within the borders of the Republic of Turkey, anyhow; I have not once seen a single expression of solidarity with the long-suffering Kurdish people in countries like Syria or Irtan which have a long history of opressing their own Kurdish citizens, as did Saddam Hussein's regime). I thought it then suprising, giving all of these expressions of brotherly comradeship, that none of them felt the slightest compulsion to convey heir wishes of good will on the Kurdish new year, the most important festivity of the year in Kurdish culture, so I humbly stepped in as a non-Greek but RoC taxpayer to fill the void and start this thread myself. So please do not pollute this innocent thread with your fascist ideas that deny a people their very existence.
As I keep saying, you are obviously a little smarter than the rest of the pack of baying fascists that inhabit this forum. At least you know what Nevroz and realised that it would be a sensible idea to add your good wishes. Where are the rest of your mad nationalist comrades, though? They are probably such blockheads that, despite their never ending lip service to support for the Kurdish cause, do not have a clue what Newroz is, and thus obviously really do not give a damn about the Kurds.
