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Postby dinja » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:39 pm

I am very sad that they decided to intervene. Poor people...
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:13 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote: Also, there is very little a no fly zone can achieve other than protect rebel strongholds and the Libyan Liberation Movement from aerial attack. It cannot for instance topple the Gaddafi regime, and bring about some form of regime change. It cannot protect the Liberation Movement from Gadaffi's superior ground forces. That will require multinational troops and a full scale invasion with high intensity warfare with Gaddafi's Libyan Armed Forces. Very costly indeed, and not something that the US or its allies would want! So it should be no surprise to anyone that the West has cold feet about all this.


Paphitis,

This is one of those situation that I believe just the Air Power alone will get rid off Gaddafi and that foreign troops need not be on the ground. The reason being, there are a lot of Libyans on the ground who are willing to fight to liberate Libya from this madman. All they need is air support and some more weapons. Only couple of weeks ago they were almost in Tripoli, but have gotten pushed back since then. Had they had air support "No Fly Zone" in place then, they would have already hung Gaddafi by his balls, along with his Prick sons.

But lets be clear, that this is not going to be just a "no fly zone" operation. This is going to be decimation of the Libyan military on the ground. Once the Libyan air defence system is crippled, I expect the American to send in a squadron of their A-10's. As you know, this plane is basically a Gatling Gun with wings on and they will destroy any Libyan armament on the ground. It will turn Libyan tanks into confetti as if it went through a mince machine. That's what the Iraqi army found out during the first Gulf war in 1990 at what had become to be known as the "Highway of Death", as they tried to retreat back to Iraq from Kuwait. Gaddafi's is now on borrowed time and he will end up in the Hague along with his sons, unless they end up like the Saddam and sons first. Looks like Erdogan is about to lose another close friend for the sake of Democracy. It was shameful of Turkey objecting the use of NATO to take part in Libya, so now, once again Turkey finds herself on the wrong side of history and also on the shit list of many western countries, and perhaps even in the Arab World too, since the Arab League also approved the "no fly zone".

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Above pictures are what the A-10 did in Iraq, 1990.


Paphitis wrote:But again, what is impressive is the Obama's recognition that something needs to be done, for the sake of the Libyan people, despite some well founded reservations.


Obama has been great, and despite the US being at war at two different countries, he was willing to commit US air power to the Libyan liberation cause, but he had to be careful not to be compared to George Bush for going and attacking another country without a UN resolution. Lets not forget, that he is up for re-election in 2012, and even though it is quiet far away, US elections will start picking up speed come next January, even though that will be true mostly for the Republicans and not for the Democrats. Last thing Obama wants to do, is to give the Republicans anything relating to Libya for them to attack him on during the elections. Once the Arab league gave their approval for the "no fly zone" operation, that gave him the Green Light to go ahead, even though France is leading the charge, but no doubt Obama and Clinton managed to get the necessary UN resolution for the go ahead and at the same time, preventing any veto vote from China and Russia. Democracy Craze is on the move once again.!:D


G'day Kikapu.

Unfortunately I don't share your confidence but sincerely hope that Gaddafif surrenders. I will explain in detail why later. Unable to engage further at this point in time.

However, I am very happy that these guys are involved because these are my brothers and will always hold a very special place in my heart until I die! I trust them and know exactly who they are! Fast, neat, average, sincere!

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Good night for now my friend!

This for a bit of a morale boost!

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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:31 pm

NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:So you don't think that Afghanistan was used by Alqaeda then ?
Where may I ask do you get your info from ? I get the impression here that you are obsessively anti USA having read sone if your exhanges on this forum with other members!

What Al Qaeda and green horses are you talking about in this day and age?

Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication
http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia ... ation.html

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... abrication
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Postby NEVERSAYNEVER » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:53 pm

Mister you are talking shit !!
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:59 pm

NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:Mister you are talking shit !!

In 2011 it’s an embarrassment to still be talking about an “Al Qaeda”! :lol:

Here’s one the major inventors of the hoax…

http://jdanger.files.wordpress.com/2006 ... 5B2%5D.jpg
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Postby NEVERSAYNEVER » Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:Mister you are talking shit !!

In 2011 it’s an embarrassment to still be talking about an “Al Qaeda”! :lol:

Here’s one the major inventors of the hoax…

http://jdanger.files.wordpress.com/2006 ... 5B2%5D.jpg

I hate to respond to someone who is talking rubbish , so sir , this is the end of this " game" of yours !!
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:18 pm

NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:Mister you are talking shit !!

In 2011 it’s an embarrassment to still be talking about an “Al Qaeda”! :lol:

Here’s one the major inventors of the hoax…

http://jdanger.files.wordpress.com/2006 ... 5B2%5D.jpg

I hate to respond to someone who is talking rubbish , so sir , this is the end of this " game" of yours !!

So much for you joining a forum to “discuss” politics! :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote: Also, there is very little a no fly zone can achieve other than protect rebel strongholds and the Libyan Liberation Movement from aerial attack. It cannot for instance topple the Gaddafi regime, and bring about some form of regime change. It cannot protect the Liberation Movement from Gadaffi's superior ground forces. That will require multinational troops and a full scale invasion with high intensity warfare with Gaddafi's Libyan Armed Forces. Very costly indeed, and not something that the US or its allies would want! So it should be no surprise to anyone that the West has cold feet about all this.


Paphitis,

This is one of those situation that I believe just the Air Power alone will get rid off Gaddafi and that foreign troops need not be on the ground. The reason being, there are a lot of Libyans on the ground who are willing to fight to liberate Libya from this madman. All they need is air support and some more weapons. Only couple of weeks ago they were almost in Tripoli, but have gotten pushed back since then. Had they had air support "No Fly Zone" in place then, they would have already hung Gaddafi by his balls, along with his Prick sons.

But lets be clear, that this is not going to be just a "no fly zone" operation. This is going to be decimation of the Libyan military on the ground. Once the Libyan air defence system is crippled, I expect the American to send in a squadron of their A-10's. As you know, this plane is basically a Gatling Gun with wings on and they will destroy any Libyan armament on the ground. It will turn Libyan tanks into confetti as if it went through a mince machine. That's what the Iraqi army found out during the first Gulf war in 1990 at what had become to be known as the "Highway of Death", as they tried to retreat back to Iraq from Kuwait. Gaddafi's is now on borrowed time and he will end up in the Hague along with his sons, unless they end up like the Saddam and sons first. Looks like Erdogan is about to lose another close friend for the sake of Democracy. It was shameful of Turkey objecting the use of NATO to take part in Libya, so now, once again Turkey finds herself on the wrong side of history and also on the shit list of many western countries, and perhaps even in the Arab World too, since the Arab League also approved the "no fly zone".

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A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog)

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/

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Above pictures are what the A-10 did in Iraq, 1990.


Paphitis wrote:But again, what is impressive is the Obama's recognition that something needs to be done, for the sake of the Libyan people, despite some well founded reservations.


Obama has been great, and despite the US being at war at two different countries, he was willing to commit US air power to the Libyan liberation cause, but he had to be careful not to be compared to George Bush for going and attacking another country without a UN resolution. Lets not forget, that he is up for re-election in 2012, and even though it is quiet far away, US elections will start picking up speed come next January, even though that will be true mostly for the Republicans and not for the Democrats. Last thing Obama wants to do, is to give the Republicans anything relating to Libya for them to attack him on during the elections. Once the Arab league gave their approval for the "no fly zone" operation, that gave him the Green Light to go ahead, even though France is leading the charge, but no doubt Obama and Clinton managed to get the necessary UN resolution for the go ahead and at the same time, preventing any veto vote from China and Russia. Democracy Craze is on the move once again.!:D


G'day Kikapu.

Unfortunately I don't share your confidence but sincerely hope that Gaddafif surrenders. I will explain in detail why later. Unable to engage further at this point in time.

However, I am very happy that these guys are involved because these are my brothers and will always hold a very special place in my heart until I die! I trust them and know exactly who they are! Fast, neat, average, sincere!

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Good night for now my friend!

This for a bit of a morale boost!

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That "little bit" just raised my Blood Pressure to a boiling point, followed by a meltdown! :lol:
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