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[antifon]

The David Goliath story unabridged!

The foundation of our struggle is three little words: REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS (RoC herein)! Anyone with demands of us to trim it or dispose of it altogether is a fool.

There is only one thing on the agenda really:
to determine the seamless tCypriot reintegration into the RoC, which will be done on RoC terms. It will borrow heavily from Makarios' 1963 ideas, adjusted to our EU reality.

Do not underestimate either this extremely SIMPLE & equally POWERFUL concept:

If Turkey agrees/bargains for/insists in 2011 on a political right for the tCypriot minority community in Cyprus she simply cannot deny such right to her own Kurdish minority community. Unless she allows for secession as a possibility since unlike Cyprus Kurds can claim the entire SE Turkey as their very own for at least a millennium, long before Turks ever set foot in the region.

What is Turkey gonna tell her own people, the Kurds? A people who have already expressed their non-negotiable desire for community status recognition, a right denied to them since 1923 at a huge cost for the Kurds and the country in general. What can Turkey honestly say? Turkish Cypriots are better? They deserve more? You are more Turks than they are Cypriot? We are both Muslims? Greek Cypriots slaughtered them but we treated you nice? The truth is there is nothing they can say to the Kurds with a straight face to deny them everything and more Turkey sees appropriate for the tCypriot minority in Cyprus.

We live in interesting times!

Do not look for the David Goliath story in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. It is unfolding before our very eyes!

http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/dav ... idged.html
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[antifon]

THE BIG-BANG FOR tCYPRIOTS
tCypriots’ "world" begins in 1960 and they take equality (18=82) and other grossly illogical clauses as their Holy Book.

1963 IS THE SOLUTION
But 1960 was fundamentally flawed and inhumanely unjust. We need to move beyond 1960 for the well being of all Cypriots, perhaps to a 1963 adjusted for our EU reality.

1960 NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR TURKEY?
If 1960 was so good for majority/minority relations then why hasn't Turkey adopted its ideas yet to solve her 87 year long problem with her Kurdish ethnic minority? After all, she heavily influenced 1960.

THE PIMP IS A HYPOCRITE. FINE. BUT tCYPRIOTS TOO?
But more importantly, if 1960 was so perfect for minorities circa 20% within a state, why are tCypriots incapable of throwing their full support behind the Kurdish demands for constitutional community political rights, recognition of Kurdish as an official language of Turkey, veto rights for the Kurds in Turkey, representation for the Kurds 122% and 67% higher than their actual numbers?

Why are tCypriots so perplexed when faced with such a question?

Why are they not showing a more active interest in the plight of a minority, a plight not dissimilar to theirs, of the country that is their protector?

Why so afraid to put their weight behind a solution for their Kurdish Muslim brothers in Turkey no less "fair" than the one they wish to see in Cyprus?

Just asking.

[antifon]

But why a member of the tCypriot minority cannot have sympathy even for the Kurdish plight in Turkey?


Not even a single tCypriot saying:
TURKEY SHOULD GIVE HER KURDS A 1960 LIKE SOLUTION! It's only fair.



Why?
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[DTA]

Because you are an idiot that not only does not understand Kurdish Turkish relations but you make everybody more and more aware that you don't even know about the Cyprus problem.

[antifon]

Because you are an idiot that not only does not understand Kurdish Turkish relations but you make everybody more and more aware that you don't even know about the Cyprus problem.

I read this book from the Wilson Center. Which one did you read?

Find links to the following chapters here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/tur ... ilson.html

Table of Contents
Foreward by Morton Abramowitz
Preface
Chapter 1 - Origins of the Problem: The Roots of Kurdish Nationalism
Chapter 2 - Enter the PKK
Chapter 3 - The Building of Kurdish National Consciousness
Chapter 4 - The Kurdish Issue in Turkish Public Opinion
Chapter 5 - Turkish Government Policies in the Southeast
Chapter 6 - The Kurds and Turkish Foreign Policy
Chapter 7 - Toward a Solution of the Kurdish Problem
Conclusion
Index
About the Authors


You must be vely, vely smart dodging the question so well.
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[Mapko]

Antifon...Why, after so many times of you asking the questions of why the Turks don't treat the Kurds how they themselves wish to be treated, do they ever reply to you with a straight answer? All they seem to do is name call and dodge the question and say you know nothing. Perhaps they don't want to concede that the Turk army and government are barbaric murderers who will do anything to get their own way. Well-known (at least in their own country) writers have been thrown in jail and/or beaten for coming out against the establishment - where's their freedom of speech? They care so little about their own people that they shoved the cave-dwellers out of Turkey and into the illegally-occupied Northern Cyprus. Their human rights record puts even the African tribes to shame.

[boomerang]

The Kurds and the Future of Turkey

http://www.amazon.com/Kurds-Future-Turkey-Michael-Gunter/dp/0312172656#reader_0312172656

the kurds are gonna run turkey in a generation...and the shoe will be on the other foot...

call it the boomerang effect...

[antifon]

Antifon...Why, after so many times of you asking the questions of why the Turks don't treat the Kurds how they themselves wish to be treated, do they ever reply to you with a straight answer? All they seem to do is name call and dodge the question and say you know nothing. Perhaps they don't want to concede that the Turk army and government are barbaric murderers who will do anything to get their own way. Well-known (at least in their own country) writers have been thrown in jail and/or beaten for coming out against the establishment - where's their freedom of speech? They care so little about their own people that they shoved the cave-dwellers out of Turkey and into the illegally-occupied Northern Cyprus. Their human rights record puts even the African tribes to shame.

The answer as you know is really simple.

tCypriots are smart enough, smarter than Turks in any case, to know that the comparison will bring their mama country in a very tough spot. If people start asking Turkey questions, then she will have to give to Kurds at least the same level rights as she supports for the tCypriot minority in Cyprus. A catastrophic scenario for Turkish fascism, the prevailing political ideology in Turkey over the last 87 years, sometimes with a religious and most often with a military veil.

I believe more of us need to start asking the question.
More often.
Until the EU understands it too.

I am doing the best I can. Next month a major Kurdish publication will publish an article with a tCypriot-Cyprus/Kurdish-Turkey comparative analysis.

Will post it here for all to see.


I think in psychology we call the tCypriot phenomenon as "HYPOCRITICAL SELECTIVE REASONING".

But what do I know. I am just 19.
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[antifon]

The Kurds and the Future of Turkey

http://www.amazon.com/Kurds-Future-Turkey-Michael-Gunter/dp/0312172656#reader_0312172656

the kurds are gonna run turkey in a generation...and the shoe will be on the other foot...

call it the boomerang effect...

"The legitimate aspirations of 20 to 25 percent of Turkey's population must be heard, and Gunter insists that "the preferred solution . . . is for Turkey to grant its citizens of Kurdish ethnic heritage their full cultural, social, and political rights as implied by democracy."

I think they mean something like 1960 for Cyprus. Or a BBF.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if get it right here so that Turkey can simply copy the solution?

My preference is an EU adjusted 1963.
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html


Would you sign my e-petition, currently in the works, for a solution to Cyprus' Turkish problem to be an EU adjusted 1963?
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[boomerang]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...