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[Viewpoint]

Well let's add the rest of Therace to that as well, as there are mostly Turks there, are they not? so all good. Vp don't bother speaking to antifon you can not reason with a mind that is as disturbed as his/hers and by replying to him/her we are giving her the attention and therefore the publicity that she requires for herself and the joke of a blog that she runs.

OK you are right he/she is a waste of time and wants to turn the whole of Cyprus into a Greek island.

[Kikapu]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

The difference is the Kurd have their own land for a state, whereas the TCs do not have their own land for a state of their own. The nearest possibility for the TCs belonging to a any state, other than the RoC, is Turkey. There are only two choices for the TCs. Either stay in Cyprus and become an equal citizen in the RoC, or go to Turkey and hope that you can become equal citizen with the Turks. All things being equal, Turkey should be a Confederation with the Kurds. The TCs also do not have any International agreement to form their own state by ethnically cleansing 200,000 from their land. That is more in line with International crime than having International right for self determination..

Do you know the difference between private land ownership and sovereignty everybody appears to be real confused you included. We have sovereignty rights and individuals have their own private property rights. They are not the same and if the GCs have a sovereignty then we do as well.

Yes I do. Do you??

The TCs do not have a sovereign state in the north. What they have is a territory Turkey took by force from the RoC, which the TCs are allowed to live in it (kept & maintained), courtesy of Turkey and not because of TCs independence from the RoC in the form of "self determination". The moment Turkey is forced to leave the north, the north's "sovereignty" won't last more than 5 minutes. The north is officially under occupation, hence it is not a sovereign state. But lets put that aside for a moment and talk about the private ownership of land. Any sovereign state has a responsibility to protect all those who belong to the land that they supposedly have sovereignty over, so why are you keeping 200,000 GCs from their property in the north, since these people also belong to the land in the north, if not more than many of the TCs and most certainly over all of the Illegal Alien Turkish settlers. Lets see you claim sovereignty of the north with 200,000 GCs returning to their properties, then we can talk further about the difference between sovereignty and private property, when the 200,000 GCs private property in the north makes up 80% of your so called "sovereign state". It is the RoC that has sovereignty and not the GCs, therefore, the TCs too do not have a sovereignty in the north and neither does the "trnc".

Now stop wasting peoples time with this repeated and tiresome question you keep asking if people know the difference between Private Land and Sovereignty. They know. Perhaps you too should learn it also.!

[antifon]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

The difference is the Kurd have their own land for a state, whereas the TCs do not have their own land for a state of their own. The nearest possibility for the TCs belonging to a any state, other than the RoC, is Turkey. There are only two choices for the TCs. Either stay in Cyprus and become an equal citizen in the RoC, or go to Turkey and hope that you can become equal citizen with the Turks. All things being equal, Turkey should be a Confederation with the Kurds. The TCs also do not have any International agreement to form their own state by ethnically cleansing 200,000 from their land. That is more in line with International crime than having International right for self determination..

Very well spoken.

Happy Newroz (New Year) to all the Kurds! 'Newroz' is the traditional Kurdish new year, The year 2011 corresponds to the Kurdish year 2711. All Kurds around the world are celebrating the new year 'Newroz'. Of the 5 million in Constantinople 1 million will be out in the streets today for the celebrations, plus many million more of others in the rest of the country. And guess what, the BDP, the party that many here believe is PKK, The Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) Istanbul Branch has provided buses for transportation & its leaders will be addressing the crowds.

The celebrations begin just about now.
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[Viewpoint]

Kikapu now that we have established that private land ownership rights and state soverigbty are two different matters, let me ask you a simple question do TCs have soverignty rights in any shape or form? And if they do what happens if those rights are interfered with manipulated or in fact taken away and not returned? Try and keep it directly focused and to the point as loads and loads of paragraphs only confirms you trying to cloud the issue, in laymans terms its called bullshitting.

[antifon]

Kikapu now that we have established that private land ownership rights and state soverigbty are two different matters, let me ask you a simple question do TCs have soverignty rights in any shape or form? And if they do what happens if those rights are interfered with manipulated or in fact taken away and not returned? Try and keep it directly focused and to the point as loads and loads of paragraphs only confirms you trying to cloud the issue, in laymans terms its called bullshitting.

In 1963 a document was offered for discussion, not dissimilar to what Erdogan is doing today in Turkey. tCypriots opted to abandon their positions in government, a government they had been trying for 3 years to sabotage, pursue a policy of SELF-SEGREGATION so attested by the UN, and bring havoc to Cyprus in 63-64 & again in 1974. Whatever rights they had are gone! The RoC survived DESPITE them. The RoC is in the EU despite them.

They have but two options:

[1] renegotiate themselves into the only legal entity of Cyprus, the RoC
[2] suffer the consequences of their decisions/lack thereof


But I am sure Kikapu will offer a more thorough response.
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[DT.]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

The difference is the Kurd have their own land for a state, whereas the TCs do not have their own land for a state of their own. The nearest possibility for the TCs belonging to a any state, other than the RoC, is Turkey. There are only two choices for the TCs. Either stay in Cyprus and become an equal citizen in the RoC, or go to Turkey and hope that you can become equal citizen with the Turks. All things being equal, Turkey should be a Confederation with the Kurds. The TCs also do not have any International agreement to form their own state by ethnically cleansing 200,000 from their land. That is more in line with International crime than having International right for self determination..

Do you know the difference between private land ownership and sovereignty everybody appears to be real confused you included. We have sovereignty rights and individuals have their own private property rights. They are not the same and if the GCs have a sovereignty then we do as well.

Plus the Kurds have not lost their rights to their private land their sovereignty was signed away and if they want a separate state then I support them Turkey would be better of without that region anyway. This is also our right as we have sovereignty rights and do not want to use this jointly with Gcs as we cannot live work or run a country together so time to have a velvet separation.

Once again, will someone show me these sovereign rights that have been given to the tcs? VP keeps going on about them, where are they?

[B25]

They are only in VPs head, as no other international community member recognises them.

He is on his LSD again, he can't help it.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu now that we have established that private land ownership rights and state soverigbty are two different matters, let me ask you a simple question do TCs have soverignty rights in any shape or form? And if they do what happens if those rights are interfered with manipulated or in fact taken away and not returned? Try and keep it directly focused and to the point as loads and loads of paragraphs only confirms you trying to cloud the issue, in laymans terms its called bullshitting.

In keeping with your request to keep my answer short, my answer is I cannot answer in simple terms since not everything is so simple as you would like them to be, and, for starters you have asked at least 4 questions all tied into one which would require a lengthy answers, which you don't want.

VP, in the future, if you are only interested in a YES/NO or single liners for an answer to complicated questions, please ask them on the 44 forum, since that's what they are really good at, they dealing in simplicity with their questions/answers, as long as you are not expecting to have answers to your questions. If you don't want your questions answered properly and in proper contexts, then please don't ask them. It takes me much longer to write them than it does for you to read them. If it's too much trouble for you to read the answers to your questions, then I rather not bother to write them in the first place if you ONLY want simplistic answers, which may not be so simple to answer, just because the question was not a simple one to begin with.!

[NEVERSAYNEVER]

Excellent response Sir !

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu now that we have established that private land ownership rights and state soverigbty are two different matters, let me ask you a simple question do TCs have soverignty rights in any shape or form? And if they do what happens if those rights are interfered with manipulated or in fact taken away and not returned? Try and keep it directly focused and to the point as loads and loads of paragraphs only confirms you trying to cloud the issue, in laymans terms its called bullshitting.

In keeping with your request to keep my answer short, my answer is I cannot answer in simple terms since not everything is so simple as you would like them to be, and, for starters you have asked at least 4 questions all tied into one which would require a lengthy answers, which you don't want.

VP, in the future, if you are only interested in a YES/NO or single liners for an answer to complicated questions, please ask them on the 44 forum, since that's what they are really good at, they dealing in simplicity with their questions/answers, as long as you are not expecting to have answers to your questions. If you don't want your questions answered properly and in proper contexts, then please don't ask them. It takes me much longer to write them than it does for you to read them. If it's too much trouble for you to read the answers to your questions, then I rather not bother to write them in the first place if you ONLY want simplistic answers, which may not be so simple to answer, just because the question was not a simple one to begin with.!

This is your right, if you are unable to be precise and feel restricted by giving clear and unbiased answers without clouding the issue to benefit the GCs then its crystal that you are afraid god forbid that you just might have said something in favour of the TCs but you do not want to do this, do you? as it would make you physically ill, so as you said dont bother we all know where you stand, squarely in the GC camp.