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[Viewpoint]

anti I have said to you before that I support not only the rights of the Kurds in Turkey but also their right to have their own state, do you support my right for my own independent state?

No.

You never had and never will have land in Cyprus to call your own. Kurds do in "Turkey", thus their right for self-determination is reasonable and based on historical facts. Your demand is based on ILLEGALITY: invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. All crimes waiting to be punished.

That's the BASIC difference between the two minorities.
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But Turkey now has their land and we have yours, the right of private land ownership and sovereignty are two different things obviously you do not know the difference. You are a hypocrite of the highest order you support the Kurds to have their own country yet you deny us that right. Your credibility is well below zero making your rantings irrelevant.

[antifon]

anti I have said to you before that I support not only the rights of the Kurds in Turkey but also their right to have their own state, do you support my right for my own independent state?

No.

You never had and never will have land in Cyprus to call your own. Kurds do in "Turkey", thus their right for self-determination is reasonable and based on historical facts. Your demand is based on ILLEGALITY: invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. All crimes waiting to be punished.

That's the BASIC difference between the two minorities.
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But Turkey now has their land and we have yours, the right of private land ownership and sovereignty are two different things obviously you do not know the difference. You are a hypocrite of the highest order you support the Kurds to have their own country yet you deny us that right. Your credibility is well below zero making your rantings irrelevant.

Viewpoint, all this time and you still think I support Kurdish secession. That's no longer PKK's goal either. Why would it be mine?

I support a 1960-like constitution for Turkey as the way to solve Turkey's majority-minority problem.

Read my opinions on my blog:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/label/Opinion
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/labe ... h%20Plight
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[Viewpoint]

anti I have said to you before that I support not only the rights of the Kurds in Turkey but also their right to have their own state, do you support my right for my own independent state?

No.

You never had and never will have land in Cyprus to call your own. Kurds do in "Turkey", thus their right for self-determination is reasonable and based on historical facts. Your demand is based on ILLEGALITY: invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. All crimes waiting to be punished.

That's the BASIC difference between the two minorities.
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But Turkey now has their land and we have yours, the right of private land ownership and sovereignty are two different things obviously you do not know the difference. You are a hypocrite of the highest order you support the Kurds to have their own country yet you deny us that right. Your credibility is well below zero making your rantings irrelevant.

Viewpoint, all this time and you still think I support Kurdish secession. That's no longer PKK's goal either. Why would it be mine?

I support a 1960-like constitution for Turkey as the way to solve Turkey's majority-minority problem.

Read my opinions on my blog:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/label/Opinion
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/labe ... h%20Plight
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So you do not support the Kurds having their own state.

Do you know there was a Kurdish prime minister in Turkey? and now there is Kurdish television and radio stations?

[antifon]

anti I have said to you before that I support not only the rights of the Kurds in Turkey but also their right to have their own state, do you support my right for my own independent state?

No.

You never had and never will have land in Cyprus to call your own. Kurds do in "Turkey", thus their right for self-determination is reasonable and based on historical facts. Your demand is based on ILLEGALITY: invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. All crimes waiting to be punished.

That's the BASIC difference between the two minorities.
.

But Turkey now has their land and we have yours, the right of private land ownership and sovereignty are two different things obviously you do not know the difference. You are a hypocrite of the highest order you support the Kurds to have their own country yet you deny us that right. Your credibility is well below zero making your rantings irrelevant.

Viewpoint, all this time and you still think I support Kurdish secession. That's no longer PKK's goal either. Why would it be mine?

I support a 1960-like constitution for Turkey as the way to solve Turkey's majority-minority problem.

Read my opinions on my blog:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/label/Opinion
http://antifon.blogspot.com/search/labe ... h%20Plight
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So you do not support the Kurds having their own state.

Do you know there was a Kurdish prime minister in Turkey? and now there is Kurdish television and radio stations?

We will let you have the same number of stations too in the reunited Cyprus! As well as the same level of TV. Do not worry.

As far as the myth of Kurdish Prime Minister, well, partly true. Can you dispute this:

Özal was 25% Kurd, one of his grandmothers I believe. He did not speak Kurdish.

Also, he rose to power 64 years [SIXTY FOUR YEARS] after [AFTER] the founding of the Turkish Republic & after decades of forced assimilation with despicable crimes on the part of the Turkish state against the Kurds.

Compare that with Turkey's insistence that 18% T/Cs have guaranteed 30%/40%(army) representation, a VP, and veto rights from day one!!

Didn't Özal die of a suspicious heart attack in office? Didn't his wife Semra Özal claim that he was poisoned by lemonade? Weren't the blood samples taken to determine his cause of death lost? This is still being investigated to this day.

Wasn't Özal the Presdient who attempted to create a Turkic union via which Kurds would become a significant political entity, like the T/C became via the 1960 constitution in Cyprus, in Turkish politics? I wonder if this is the reason he was taken care of.

Just out of curiosity, would you support a permanent Kurdish Vice President in Turkey & equality a-la-Cyprus?
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[B25]

Seems you know more about Turkish-Kurdish relations than these people realise and more so than them.

Keep reminding them Anti, for the easily forget their crimes and just want to blame others.

[Nikitas]

A permanent Kurdish VP would be contarty to Keamlist doctrine therefore subject to rejection. But when it comes to a Turkish minority claiming that right elsewhere then it becomes proper Kemalist doctrine. This is a prime example of Turkish cynicism, a prime if not the only quality in Turkish foreign policy.

Now look at what Davut is propsing through Neo Ottomanism, see it with the proper cynical filter and shudder. No wonder he got the (very) cold shoulder when he tried to expand on it in Bosnia recently.

But in Europe things are different. Kurds will automatically gain rights which have been denied for generations and then what? It will no longer be possible to dissolve a political party because it calls itself Kurdish.

[Viewpoint]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

[Kikapu]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

The difference is the Kurd have their own land for a state, whereas the TCs do not have their own land for a state of their own. The nearest possibility for the TCs belonging to a any state, other than the RoC, is Turkey. There are only two choices for the TCs. Either stay in Cyprus and become an equal citizen in the RoC, or go to Turkey and hope that you can become equal citizen with the Turks. All things being equal, Turkey should be a Confederation with the Kurds. The TCs also do not have any International agreement to form their own state by ethnically cleansing 200,000 from their land. That is more in line with International crime than having International right for self determination..

[Viewpoint]

I not only support a Kurdish VP but also that they get their own state but you want to deny us that right anti you a hypocrite. You also conveniently forget the Kurds do not have any international agreement that confirms their partnership in Turkey so a comparison is not possible, you also forget that you GCs are trying to get rid of the 1960 agreements but then on the same breath want to apply it to the Kurds, for gods sake make up your minds.

The difference is the Kurd have their own land for a state, whereas the TCs do not have their own land for a state of their own. The nearest possibility for the TCs belonging to a any state, other than the RoC, is Turkey. There are only two choices for the TCs. Either stay in Cyprus and become an equal citizen in the RoC, or go to Turkey and hope that you can become equal citizen with the Turks. All things being equal, Turkey should be a Confederation with the Kurds. The TCs also do not have any International agreement to form their own state by ethnically cleansing 200,000 from their land. That is more in line with International crime than having International right for self determination..

Do you know the difference between private land ownership and sovereignty everybody appears to be real confused you included. We have sovereignty rights and individuals have their own private property rights. They are not the same and if the GCs have a sovereignty then we do as well.

Plus the Kurds have not lost their rights to their private land their sovereignty was signed away and if they want a separate state then I support them Turkey would be better of without that region anyway. This is also our right as we have sovereignty rights and do not want to use this jointly with Gcs as we cannot live work or run a country together so time to have a velvet separation.

[DTA]

Well let's add the rest of Therace to that as well, as there are mostly Turks there, are they not? so all good. Vp don't bother speaking to antifon you can not reason with a mind that is as disturbed as his/hers and by replying to him/her we are giving her the attention and therefore the publicity that she requires for herself and the joke of a blog that she runs.