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Postby NEVERSAYNEVER » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:35 am

On one of your posts Birkibrisli , you informed me that 99% of Muslims leave a peaceful life , I entirely agree in fact given the total number of Muslims put at about 1.5 million a 1% involvement in terrorist activities would amount to a total of 15 million !!!
The number is much much smaller the problem is this small number is tolerated and excused by a considerable number of peace loving Muslims as many surveys have showed .
The Muslim world has much to do to highlight the fact that terrorism is committed by a tiny percentage .
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Postby B25 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:40 am

NSN, it was 1.5B, so all you numbers are wrong.

15m is 10% of 1.5m. !!!!!!!
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Postby NEVERSAYNEVER » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:59 am

B25 wrote:NSN, it was 1.5B, so all you numbers are wrong.

15m is 10% of 1.5m. !!!!!!!

THAT OF COURSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 1.5 BILLION !!!
Well spotted Sir !
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:33 pm

Nikitas wrote:Bir, in case you do not see it, guarantees by Turkey automatically bring in guarantees by Greece.

What do you think the officers of the two "contingents" will do all day while they are stationed in Cyprus? They will collect "intelligence" and draw "contingency plans" as they did in the 60s and 70s and they will undermine and subvert the republic as they did in the past. Their allegiance is to their country not to you and me. It surprises me that you feel safe and secure in such a situation.


I was replying to GR's specific question,Nikitas...What would happen if the GCs did not take action to win TCs trust and respect...???I gave him my belief of what would the effect be on the TCs in general,not necessarily what my real feelings are on the subject...Before we worry about what the Greek and Turkish contingents would do after a solution ,we need to get to the solution first.And that will not happen without mutual trust and respect...I insist on that opinion.It reflects the reality as I see it...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:41 pm

NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:On one of your posts Birkibrisli , you informed me that 99% of Muslims leave a peaceful life , I entirely agree in fact given the total number of Muslims put at about 1.5 million a 1% involvement in terrorist activities would amount to a total of 15 million !!!
The number is much much smaller the problem is this small number is tolerated and excused by a considerable number of peace loving Muslims as many surveys have showed .
The Muslim world has much to do to highlight the fact that terrorism is committed by a tiny percentage .


Well spoted,NSN...The percentage is actually much smaller...But where did you get the idea that a considerable number of peace loving Muslims tolerate and excuse acts of terrorism??? That is a contradiction in terms...You can't be peace loving and yet excuse and tolerate acts of terrorism...
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Postby antifon » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:00 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Bir, in case you do not see it, guarantees by Turkey automatically bring in guarantees by Greece.

What do you think the officers of the two "contingents" will do all day while they are stationed in Cyprus? They will collect "intelligence" and draw "contingency plans" as they did in the 60s and 70s and they will undermine and subvert the republic as they did in the past. Their allegiance is to their country not to you and me. It surprises me that you feel safe and secure in such a situation.


I was replying to GR's specific question,Nikitas...What would happen if the GCs did not take action to win TCs trust and respect...???I gave him my belief of what would the effect be on the TCs in general,not necessarily what my real feelings are on the subject...Before we worry about what the Greek and Turkish contingents would do after a solution ,we need to get to the solution first.And that will not happen without mutual trust and respect...I insist on that opinion.It reflects the reality as I see it...




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Postby NEVERSAYNEVER » Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:52 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Bir, in case you do not see it, guarantees by Turkey automatically bring in guarantees by Greece.

What do you think the officers of the two "contingents" will do all day while they are stationed in Cyprus? They will collect "intelligence" and draw "contingency plans" as they did in the 60s and 70s and they will undermine and subvert the republic as they did in the past. Their allegiance is to their country not to you and me. It surprises me that you feel safe and secure in such a situation.


I was replying to GR's specific question,Nikitas...What would happen if the GCs did not take action to win TCs trust and respect...???I gave him my belief of what would the effect be on the TCs in general,not necessarily what my real feelings are on the subject...Before we worry about what the Greek and Turkish contingents would do after a solution ,we need to get to the solution first.And that will not happen without mutual trust and respect...I insist on that opinion.It reflects the reality as I see it...

In a recent survey among young Muslims in the UK A VERY LARGE NUMBER WERE SUPPORTING ALQAEDA.
Also a survey carried out within 7 Muslim nations revealed that over 200 million supported AlQaeda.
http://answersforthefaith.com/2010/12/0 ... -al-qaeda/
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Postby antifon » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:28 am

The Turkish government’s refusal to open dialogue with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, “only prolongs the conflict,” according to a lawyer experienced in mediating between state officials and armed groups.

“If the South African government had refused to sit at the same table with the people it saw as terrorists, there would not have been a big peace process in the 1990s, Nelson Mandela would not have been released in 1990 and South Africa would probably be in a state of civil war today,” said Brian Currin, a South African lawyer who played a mediator role both in his own country and also between the Spanish government and the armed Basque separatist group ETA.

“The only way to achieve peace is through dialogue and negotiation. To use security resolutions only prolongs the conflict,” Currin, an expert on conflict resolution, told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in an interview Tuesday.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-22
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:55 am

NEVERSAYNEVER wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Bir, in case you do not see it, guarantees by Turkey automatically bring in guarantees by Greece.

What do you think the officers of the two "contingents" will do all day while they are stationed in Cyprus? They will collect "intelligence" and draw "contingency plans" as they did in the 60s and 70s and they will undermine and subvert the republic as they did in the past. Their allegiance is to their country not to you and me. It surprises me that you feel safe and secure in such a situation.


I was replying to GR's specific question,Nikitas...What would happen if the GCs did not take action to win TCs trust and respect...???I gave him my belief of what would the effect be on the TCs in general,not necessarily what my real feelings are on the subject...Before we worry about what the Greek and Turkish contingents would do after a solution ,we need to get to the solution first.And that will not happen without mutual trust and respect...I insist on that opinion.It reflects the reality as I see it...

In a recent survey among young Muslims in the UK A VERY LARGE NUMBER WERE SUPPORTING ALQAEDA.
Also a survey carried out within 7 Muslim nations revealed that over 200 million supported AlQaeda.
http://answersforthefaith.com/2010/12/0 ... -al-qaeda/


NSN...You ought to know that unless we know what were the questions asked exactly we cannot decide on the authenticity of any survey...
On a related point,more and more strategic thinkers are now questioning the existance of Al Kaida...The logic being that there cannot possible be a central command to coordinate and control such diverse terrorist groups all around the world...Nothing is what it seems in the world of terrorism and ideological warfare, whether by states or assorted sectional groups...
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Postby antifon » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:59 pm

NATO's top military commander, US Adm. James Stavridis, on Thursday met Turkish military leaders in Ankara, which has been seen as holding up agreement on a NATO command structure for a no-fly zone over Libya.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has warned that the rules of engagement in Libya must be restricted to protecting civilians, enforcing the arms embargo and no-fly zone, and the provision of humanitarian aid. This would exclude any further air strikes against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's ground forces.

"It is a framework that is not offensive," Davutoglu said Wednesday.



TODAY GADHAFI'S TANKS IN LIBYA.
TOMORROW, TURKISH TANKS IN KURDISTAN (EAST TURKEY)?
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