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[antifon]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...

Would consider it but even PKK today says they want political, cultural and civic rights within a united state. Most other Kurdish constituencies too of course.

They speak of a BBF for Turkey. And they raise Turkey's thinking in Cyprus as an example!
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[boomerang]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...

Would consider it but even PKK today says they want political, cultural and civic rights within a united state. Most other Kurdish constituencies too of course.

They speak of a BBF for Turkey. And they raise Turkey's thinking in Cyprus as an example!
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i beg to disagree here...they are doing the same as the turks in cyprus...they want to eat their cake...

anyway within 20 years they are gonna outbreed the turks...you think they want to share?...i don't think so...

[antifon]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...

Would consider it but even PKK today says they want political, cultural and civic rights within a united state. Most other Kurdish constituencies too of course.

They speak of a BBF for Turkey. And they raise Turkey's thinking in Cyprus as an example!
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i beg to disagree here...they are doing the same as the turks in cyprus...they want to eat their cake...

anyway within 20 years they are gonna outbreed the turks...you think they want to share?...i don't think so...

A Kurd once promised me that when they run/co-run Constantinople they will restore the Hagia Sofia to a church & tear down the dicky minarets.

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[Nikitas]

Old DTA above came in with a smart comment and then buggered off.

It was Turgut Ozal himself who ranked the Kurdish problem as the biggest problem facing Turkey since it is the only problem that can lead to the disintegration of the state. The construct of the state, which is really the only glue that binds the nation together. Kemalism is based on the unconditional supremacy of statism over every other influence, above religion, above local and regional differences.

The anxiety of potential loss and the knowledge of the weakness of the state, which is very young and lacks any cultural of historic glue, is evident in the almost manic flag waving, the ever present Kemal statuettes, photographs, images, texts and aphorisms everywhere you go. Turkey is the second state to have a mausoleum for its founder, expressing a need to have tangible evidence of the originator, the "father" of the nation.

The Kurds on the other hand are an ancient people, confident of their place in the history and geography of the area. No wonder the Turks were willing to lose 30 000 soldiers trying to subdue them. When they realised exttermination was out they tried to subvert them with piecemeal liberalisation, a radio channel here, a language school there, and encouragement to migrate internally and also to northern Cyprus. Hoping to diffuse a focused force through the rest of the population.

As other middle eastern countries found out, modern technology offers ways to incite revolt which have unforeseen consequences. When you can mobilise a quarter of the population in a few minutes many things are possible that were not a few years ago. And now the EU comes along with a new challenge: want to get in, enact civil rights that grant freedom of expression, language and culture for minorities. The weapons that the cynical manipulators used against their neighbors are now officially being turned on them. It will be interesting to see how they deal with this problem of their own making.

[boomerang]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...

Would consider it but even PKK today says they want political, cultural and civic rights within a united state. Most other Kurdish constituencies too of course.

They speak of a BBF for Turkey. And they raise Turkey's thinking in Cyprus as an example!
.

i beg to disagree here...they are doing the same as the turks in cyprus...they want to eat their cake...

anyway within 20 years they are gonna outbreed the turks...you think they want to share?...i don't think so...

A Kurd once promised me that when they run/co-run Constantinople they will restore the Hagia Sofia to a church & tear down the dicky minarets.

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one kurd promised you...yeah well that makes sence now doesn't it really...

you need to get it through your head...iraq kurdistan was face one...face two is the whole of turkey through outbreeding...something that sends chills through every turk...

all in the name of greater kurdistan...

[antifon]

the kurds have moved on and they are eyeball running turkey within a generation...all in the name of greater kurdistan...

this is the greatest fear of turkey...their worst nightmare surfacing...the writing is on the wall, but they are blind to it...this is why I do not advocate the kurds getting the same rights as the tcs...they rightly deserve, their own self determination as the tcs claim ....their own country...

where the western turks have a couple of kids, the kurds have a dozen....one generation and it will be over...

so antifon change your turne for a full kurdish self determination...splitting up turkey instead...

Would consider it but even PKK today says they want political, cultural and civic rights within a united state. Most other Kurdish constituencies too of course.

They speak of a BBF for Turkey. And they raise Turkey's thinking in Cyprus as an example!
.

i beg to disagree here...they are doing the same as the turks in cyprus...they want to eat their cake...

anyway within 20 years they are gonna outbreed the turks...you think they want to share?...i don't think so...

A Kurd once promised me that when they run/co-run Constantinople they will restore the Hagia Sofia to a church & tear down the dicky minarets.

.

one kurd promised you...yeah well that makes sence now doesn't it really...

you need to get it through your head...iraq kurdistan was face one...face two is the whole of turkey through outbreeding...something that sends chills through every turk...

all in the name of greater kurdistan...

face one or phase two?
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[DTA]

Old DTA above came in with a smart comment and then buggered off.

It was Turgut Ozal himself who ranked the Kurdish problem as the biggest problem facing Turkey since it is the only problem that can lead to the disintegration of the state. The construct of the state, which is really the only glue that binds the nation together. Kemalism is based on the unconditional supremacy of statism over every other influence, above religion, above local and regional differences.

The anxiety of potential loss and the knowledge of the weakness of the state, which is very young and lacks any cultural of historic glue, is evident in the almost manic flag waving, the ever present Kemal statuettes, photographs, images, texts and aphorisms everywhere you go. Turkey is the second state to have a mausoleum for its founder, expressing a need to have tangible evidence of the originator, the "father" of the nation.

The Kurds on the other hand are an ancient people, confident of their place in the history and geography of the area. No wonder the Turks were willing to lose 30 000 soldiers trying to subdue them. When they realised exttermination was out they tried to subvert them with piecemeal liberalisation, a radio channel here, a language school there, and encouragement to migrate internally and also to northern Cyprus. Hoping to diffuse a focused force through the rest of the population.

As other middle eastern countries found out, modern technology offers ways to incite revolt which have unforeseen consequences. When you can mobilise a quarter of the population in a few minutes many things are possible that were not a few years ago. And now the EU comes along with a new challenge: want to get in, enact civil rights that grant freedom of expression, language and culture for minorities. The weapons that the cynical manipulators used against their neighbors are now officially being turned on them. It will be interesting to see how they deal with this problem of their own making.

Turkish Kurdish relations are more complex than they are being made out to be in this thread and in antifon not so good quest. If you can speak to a variety of different kurdish people from turkey then you will get a better idea of the relationship and its dynamics.

I made a smart arse comment to antifon because s/he is two faced - a trait that detest

[antifon]

Old DTA above came in with a smart comment and then buggered off.

It was Turgut Ozal himself who ranked the Kurdish problem as the biggest problem facing Turkey since it is the only problem that can lead to the disintegration of the state. The construct of the state, which is really the only glue that binds the nation together. Kemalism is based on the unconditional supremacy of statism over every other influence, above religion, above local and regional differences.

The anxiety of potential loss and the knowledge of the weakness of the state, which is very young and lacks any cultural of historic glue, is evident in the almost manic flag waving, the ever present Kemal statuettes, photographs, images, texts and aphorisms everywhere you go. Turkey is the second state to have a mausoleum for its founder, expressing a need to have tangible evidence of the originator, the "father" of the nation.

The Kurds on the other hand are an ancient people, confident of their place in the history and geography of the area. No wonder the Turks were willing to lose 30 000 soldiers trying to subdue them. When they realised exttermination was out they tried to subvert them with piecemeal liberalisation, a radio channel here, a language school there, and encouragement to migrate internally and also to northern Cyprus. Hoping to diffuse a focused force through the rest of the population.

As other middle eastern countries found out, modern technology offers ways to incite revolt which have unforeseen consequences. When you can mobilise a quarter of the population in a few minutes many things are possible that were not a few years ago. And now the EU comes along with a new challenge: want to get in, enact civil rights that grant freedom of expression, language and culture for minorities. The weapons that the cynical manipulators used against their neighbors are now officially being turned on them. It will be interesting to see how they deal with this problem of their own making.

Turkish Kurdish relations are more complex than they are being made out to be in this thread and in antifon not so good quest. If you can speak to a variety of different kurdish people from turkey then you will get a better idea of the relationship and its dynamics.

I made a smart arse comment to antifon because s/he is two faced - a trait that detest

Please, let's drop the two-faced crap. It is plain by now I have just one face. the face that looks you in the eye and says:

Never again 1960 "equality"
1974 division will end, whether you like or not
You are but a small minority. You are not equals (more like 90-10 nowadays)
We will grant you all the rights Turkey can afford her Kurds.
We, gCypriots, will continue define the future of Cyprus, despite you.
We will undo the damage caused in the last 40 years & restore things
We will respect everyone's human rights
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[DTA]

two faced

[antifon]

two faced

You are right. This is my other face:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-clown.html
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