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[boomerang]

your mum said dinner will be ready as soon as she gets home...she is a bit busy right now...i am relaying the message, coz she can't talk with her mouth full.... ...so don't go around shooting the messenger now...

what can i say, she responds quite well to the rattle...come to think of it you do to...

[Tim Drayton]

Tim is right of course,as usual...There is no organic link with Zaman and the AKP...Zaman is the instrument of the "Movement" started by Fethullah Gulen and was for a long time opposed to certain policies of the AKP...Gulen lives in America and with the aid of a lot of 'deciples' runs a multinational empire built on media interests and educational institutions all around the world...Neither Islamists nor Secularists in Turkey trust this person,because he tries to walk the middle ground,and reportedly has strong links with the American establishment,including the Republican Party and the CIA...

Recently there has been a thawing in the Gulen AKP/Erdogan relations,and there is talk that Erdogan is paving the way for Gulen's return to Turkey.(He couldn't return till now because he was charged with sedition or some such threat by the previous government prosecutors)...
Gulen movement supposedly believe in inter faith and inter ethnic and racial dialogue,and this article might be a timely reminder to the AKP that Gulen has his own ideas about the Cyprus problem...

Care to share Gulen's Cyprus thinking?
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I am probably guilty of underestimating you. That is a very intelligent question.

[antifon]

Tim is right of course,as usual...There is no organic link with Zaman and the AKP...Zaman is the instrument of the "Movement" started by Fethullah Gulen and was for a long time opposed to certain policies of the AKP...Gulen lives in America and with the aid of a lot of 'deciples' runs a multinational empire built on media interests and educational institutions all around the world...Neither Islamists nor Secularists in Turkey trust this person,because he tries to walk the middle ground,and reportedly has strong links with the American establishment,including the Republican Party and the CIA...

Recently there has been a thawing in the Gulen AKP/Erdogan relations,and there is talk that Erdogan is paving the way for Gulen's return to Turkey.(He couldn't return till now because he was charged with sedition or some such threat by the previous government prosecutors)...
Gulen movement supposedly believe in inter faith and inter ethnic and racial dialogue,and this article might be a timely reminder to the AKP that Gulen has his own ideas about the Cyprus problem...

Care to share Gulen's Cyprus thinking?
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Unfortunately I am not privy to Gulen's thoughts on Cyprus...And I'd rather not speculate..It is safe to assume that Gulen is trying to influence the AKP on Cyprob...His motives are not so clear,to me at least...

I recently read a rather detailed analysis on the Gulen movement in western media. If I find it I will send it to you. I believe I would remember if Cyprus was at all mentioned.
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[Tim Drayton]

Tim is right of course,as usual...There is no organic link with Zaman and the AKP...Zaman is the instrument of the "Movement" started by Fethullah Gulen and was for a long time opposed to certain policies of the AKP...Gulen lives in America and with the aid of a lot of 'deciples' runs a multinational empire built on media interests and educational institutions all around the world...Neither Islamists nor Secularists in Turkey trust this person,because he tries to walk the middle ground,and reportedly has strong links with the American establishment,including the Republican Party and the CIA...

Recently there has been a thawing in the Gulen AKP/Erdogan relations,and there is talk that Erdogan is paving the way for Gulen's return to Turkey.(He couldn't return till now because he was charged with sedition or some such threat by the previous government prosecutors)...
Gulen movement supposedly believe in inter faith and inter ethnic and racial dialogue,and this article might be a timely reminder to the AKP that Gulen has his own ideas about the Cyprus problem...

This movement really goes back to Sheik Saidi Nursi, aka Bediuzzaman, does it not?

[boomerang]

its the kurds i tell you...its the kurds...

i reckon gulen is a kurd and he is helping his bros...oh and antifon...

[antifon]

Tim is right of course,as usual...There is no organic link with Zaman and the AKP...Zaman is the instrument of the "Movement" started by Fethullah Gulen and was for a long time opposed to certain policies of the AKP...Gulen lives in America and with the aid of a lot of 'deciples' runs a multinational empire built on media interests and educational institutions all around the world...Neither Islamists nor Secularists in Turkey trust this person,because he tries to walk the middle ground,and reportedly has strong links with the American establishment,including the Republican Party and the CIA...

Recently there has been a thawing in the Gulen AKP/Erdogan relations,and there is talk that Erdogan is paving the way for Gulen's return to Turkey.(He couldn't return till now because he was charged with sedition or some such threat by the previous government prosecutors)...
Gulen movement supposedly believe in inter faith and inter ethnic and racial dialogue,and this article might be a timely reminder to the AKP that Gulen has his own ideas about the Cyprus problem...

Care to share Gulen's Cyprus thinking?
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I am probably guilty of underestimating you. That is a very intelligent question.

No you are not. I am well conscious of the fact that I often give enough reason to people to underestimate me. I have my good moments too.
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[boomerang]

is modesty from the kurdish side of the family?...

[Tim Drayton]

Tim is right of course,as usual...There is no organic link with Zaman and the AKP...Zaman is the instrument of the "Movement" started by Fethullah Gulen and was for a long time opposed to certain policies of the AKP...Gulen lives in America and with the aid of a lot of 'deciples' runs a multinational empire built on media interests and educational institutions all around the world...Neither Islamists nor Secularists in Turkey trust this person,because he tries to walk the middle ground,and reportedly has strong links with the American establishment,including the Republican Party and the CIA...

Recently there has been a thawing in the Gulen AKP/Erdogan relations,and there is talk that Erdogan is paving the way for Gulen's return to Turkey.(He couldn't return till now because he was charged with sedition or some such threat by the previous government prosecutors)...
Gulen movement supposedly believe in inter faith and inter ethnic and racial dialogue,and this article might be a timely reminder to the AKP that Gulen has his own ideas about the Cyprus problem...

Care to share Gulen's Cyprus thinking?
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Unfortunately I am not privy to Gulen's thoughts on Cyprus...And I'd rather not speculate..It is safe to assume that Gulen is trying to influence the AKP on Cyprob...His motives are not so clear,to me at least...

I recently read a rather detailed analysis on the Gulen movement in western media. If I find it I will send it to you. I believe I would remember if Cyprus was at all mentioned.
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Perhaps this one?:

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-g ... d-ambition

[boomerang]

if it don't mention the kurds, fonaklas ain't interested...

[antifon]

is modesty from the kurdish side of the family?...

Your last couple of comments are more to my liking boomerang. Let's keep it civil, ok? There is enough injustice across the manufactured illegal "border" to direct our anger and frustrations to.

As I say on the first page of my blog:
LINKING THE CYPRUS ISSUE TO THE KURDISH ISSUE OF TURKEY IS THE ONLY EFFECTIVE WAY TO

[A] UNCOVER TURKISH HYPOCRISY ON HER APPROACH TO MAJORITY-MINORITY COMMUNITY RELATIONS

[B] BRING ABOUT A FAIR AND PERMANENT SETTLEMENT TO THE CYPRUS PROBLEM AND

[C] HELP BRING COMMUNITY STATUS RECOGNITION FOR THE CLOSE TO 20 MILLION KURDS OF TURKEY.

A WIN-WIN-WIN FOR THE KURDISH, TURKISH AND CYPRIOT PEOPLES.
IT MAY ALSO BRING ABOUT THE FIRST EVER TRULY DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUTION IN TURKEY'S HISTORY!

I do not wish to "use" the Kurdish issue to cause more pain and suffering the Kurds (God knows they have suffered in unimaginable ways, unimaginable to Cypriots too), nor to make the Turkish people suffer.

I wish to see it used as a tool to BRING SOME SENSE INTO THE LOGIC THAT SHOULD GOVERN MAJORITY-MINORITY RELATIONS BETWEEN MAJORITIES AND LARGE MINORITIES (CIRCA 20%) OF DIFFERENT ETHNIC ORIGIN IN UNITARY STATES.

When Turkey is involved in two such situations, supporting Majority interests in one and Minority interests in the other, IT MAKES IT THE MOST PERTINENT MATTER FOR ALL OF US, THE CATALYST FOR THE WAY FORWARD IN BOTH PROBLEMS.

http://antifon.blogspot.com
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