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[boomerang]

‘Code crisis’ overshadows Turkey’s planned purchase of F-35 jets

12 March 2011, Saturday / EMRE SONCA, ANKARA

A “code crisis” has erupted in Ankara that could threaten Turkey’s participation in a US-led project to produce F-35 fighter jets, further complicated by the presentation of a bill to Turkey for an additional $4 billion to offset the growing costs of the project.

The Turkish side in this $16 billion project has repeatedly knocked on America’s door to ask for the flight codes for the fighter jets into which so much money has been invested. However, the Pentagon has rejected these demands on the part of Turkey. America’s refusal to turn over the codes belonging to the jets and to share the software technology used in their production is making Turkey nervous.

Though Ankara plans at this point to purchase around 100 of these fighter jets, there is the awareness in the Turkish capital that without the codes in question, possession of the jet planes will only be partial. There are assertions at hand that the F-35s will be controllable from outside sources, that they may be defenseless against electronic warfare and that no changes will be able to be made to their software. At this point, diplomatic circles claim the UK will be withdrawing from the consortium was formed to realize the project for these same reasons.

Currently, Turkish bureaucrats and the government are trying to decide on a definitive stance to adopt in this matter. As for the ultimate fate of the F-35s in question, it will become clear at a meeting scheduled for April 13 in the US. Turkey is to be represented at this critical meeting by the undersecretary for the defense industry (SSM), Murad Bayar.

Turkey is one of a group of countries designated as production nations for the F-35, which has been designed to be the “hunter of the future.” Along with Turkey, Italy, Denmark, Norway, Australia, the US, and Canada are all a part of this project. A budget of $10 billion has been earmarked in the Turkish Treasury for this project, whose first fighter jet is slated to be presented to Turkey some time in 2015.

Although there has been no F-35 turned over to Turkey yet, an bill for an extra $4 billion, based on higher than predicted costs for the building of the planes, was presented to Ankara. In fact, taking into consideration logistics as well as other costs, the total cost to Turkey is now said to be likely to reach $16 billion. The SSM has already gone to the Treasury to ask for the extra cost to be covered, following requests from the General Staff.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-237992-code-crisis-overshadows-turkeys-planned-purchase-of-f-35-jets.html

hey tourkos let me tell you a secret...all the other countries are gonna get the codes exept you guys...you gonna get a dudder of a plain...coz they don't trust you...

not only you ain't getting the codes from the us, but you also ain't getting lens from israel for your spy satellite...again an expensive toy but what good would it do if you are blindfolded?...again coz they don't trust you...
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-238223-turkish-israeli-mistrust-deepens.html

hard to fly when surrounded with shotguns hey turkey?...

[antifon]

boomerang, I will sidestep your insults and disagree with you. The Kurdish issue analogy is the catalyst we are looking for to break lose from the Turkish chains. In the end, it does not matter what you or I think. But how the Kurds thin instead. The Kurds want the sort of rights tCypriots want in Cyprus. I think we can find balanced solutions to both problems. The Kurds will keep the pressure. That's good.

http://antifon.blogspot.com
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[boomerang]

Two facts:

The first edition of the Zaman newspaper appeared on 03/11/1986.

The Justice and Development Party (AKP) was formed on 14/08/2001.

Tim Drayton, was AK Party created in a bing-bang fashion?
http://antifon.blogspot.com
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I give up. You tell me please, as your knowledge of Turkey and Turks obviously surpasses mine. The term "bing-bang" is not in my vocabulary, and I cannot find it in a dictionary, so your question actually leaves me totally puzzled.

nice to see you posting again tim...you've been in the wild too long time to come home...

[boomerang]

boomerang, I will sidestep your insults and disagree with you. The Kurdish issue analogy is the catalyst we are looking for to break lose from the Turkish chains. In the end, it does not matter what you or I think. But how the Kurds thin instead. The Kurds want the sort of rights tCypriots want in Cyprus. I think we can find balanced solutions to both problems. The Kurds will keep the pressure. That's good.

http://antifon.blogspot.com
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hey antifon, when i want your input, how about i signal you, with me rattling my zip huh?...

[antifon]

Two facts:

The first edition of the Zaman newspaper appeared on 03/11/1986.

The Justice and Development Party (AKP) was formed on 14/08/2001.

Tim Drayton, was AK Party created in a bing-bang fashion?
http://antifon.blogspot.com
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I give up. You tell me please, as your knowledge of Turkey and Turks obviously surpasses mine. The term "bing-bang" is not in my vocabulary, and I cannot find it in a dictionary, so your question actually leaves me totally puzzled.

Will Wikipedia do? I am afraid sources in English about Turkey are limited.

Zaman (literally "time" or "era" in Turkish) is a major, high-circulation daily newspaper in Turkey.[2] It was founded in 1986 and was the first Turkish daily to go online in 1995.[3] It contains national (Turkish), international, business and other news. It also has many regular columnists who cover current affairs, interviews and a culture section.
Zaman is known to be related with the Fethullah Gülen movement[4] but the movement is not the owner.[5] It is a conservative[6] newspaper which has a moderate Islamic worldview.[7] Zaman, which declares itself as in support of democracy and secularism,[8] is regarded as Islamic, or Islamist, by some sources.[4][6][9]

The AK Party was established by a wide range of politicians of various political parties and a number of new politicians. Core part of the party consists of the reformist faction (Turkish: yenilikçiler) of the Islamist party Virtue Party, including people such as Abdullah Gül and Bülent Arınç. Second part of the party consists of people who were members of the social conservative Motherland Party and close to Turgut Özal, such as Cemil Çiçek and Abdülkadir Aksu. Another part of the party consists of people who were members of the Turkish Democratic Party, such as Hüseyin Çelik and Köksal Toptan. Members like Kürşad Tüzmen had nationalist backgrounds.


What I meant was that a paper that is a conservative newspaper which has a "moderate" Islamic world view is only natural to voice the party that came into existence to replace former conservative/Islamic parties. Besides, the close relationship between Erdogan and Gulen is amply rumored.
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[Tim Drayton]

Two facts:

The first edition of the Zaman newspaper appeared on 03/11/1986.

The Justice and Development Party (AKP) was formed on 14/08/2001.

Tim Drayton, was AK Party created in a bing-bang fashion?
http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

I give up. You tell me please, as your knowledge of Turkey and Turks obviously surpasses mine. The term "bing-bang" is not in my vocabulary, and I cannot find it in a dictionary, so your question actually leaves me totally puzzled.

Will Wikipedia do? I am afraid sources in English about Turkey are limited.

Zaman (literally "time" or "era" in Turkish) is a major, high-circulation daily newspaper in Turkey.[2] It was founded in 1986 and was the first Turkish daily to go online in 1995.[3] It contains national (Turkish), international, business and other news. It also has many regular columnists who cover current affairs, interviews and a culture section.
Zaman is known to be related with the Fethullah Gülen movement[4] but the movement is not the owner.[5] It is a conservative[6] newspaper which has a moderate Islamic worldview.[7] Zaman, which declares itself as in support of democracy and secularism,[8] is regarded as Islamic, or Islamist, by some sources.[4][6][9]

The AK Party was established by a wide range of politicians of various political parties and a number of new politicians. Core part of the party consists of the reformist faction (Turkish: yenilikçiler) of the Islamist party Virtue Party, including people such as Abdullah Gül and Bülent Arınç. Second part of the party consists of people who were members of the social conservative Motherland Party and close to Turgut Özal, such as Cemil Çiçek and Abdülkadir Aksu. Another part of the party consists of people who were members of the Turkish Democratic Party, such as Hüseyin Çelik and Köksal Toptan. Members like Kürşad Tüzmen had nationalist backgrounds.


What I meant was that a paper that is a conservative newspaper which has a "moderate" Islamic world view is only natural to voice the party that came into existence to replace former conservative/Islamic parties. Besides, the close relationship between Erdogan and Gulen is amply rumored.
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Thank you for the information. Excuse my stupidity, but I can find nothing in the above which tells me whether or not the AKP was "created in a bing-bang fashion".

[DTA]

Hey antifon, do you think that you know more about turkey then Tim Drayton - he is English by the way (if I am not mistaken)

[antifon]

Two facts:

The first edition of the Zaman newspaper appeared on 03/11/1986.

The Justice and Development Party (AKP) was formed on 14/08/2001.

Tim Drayton, was AK Party created in a bing-bang fashion?
http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

I give up. You tell me please, as your knowledge of Turkey and Turks obviously surpasses mine. The term "bing-bang" is not in my vocabulary, and I cannot find it in a dictionary, so your question actually leaves me totally puzzled.

Will Wikipedia do? I am afraid sources in English about Turkey are limited.

Zaman (literally "time" or "era" in Turkish) is a major, high-circulation daily newspaper in Turkey.[2] It was founded in 1986 and was the first Turkish daily to go online in 1995.[3] It contains national (Turkish), international, business and other news. It also has many regular columnists who cover current affairs, interviews and a culture section.
Zaman is known to be related with the Fethullah Gülen movement[4] but the movement is not the owner.[5] It is a conservative[6] newspaper which has a moderate Islamic worldview.[7] Zaman, which declares itself as in support of democracy and secularism,[8] is regarded as Islamic, or Islamist, by some sources.[4][6][9]

The AK Party was established by a wide range of politicians of various political parties and a number of new politicians. Core part of the party consists of the reformist faction (Turkish: yenilikçiler) of the Islamist party Virtue Party, including people such as Abdullah Gül and Bülent Arınç. Second part of the party consists of people who were members of the social conservative Motherland Party and close to Turgut Özal, such as Cemil Çiçek and Abdülkadir Aksu. Another part of the party consists of people who were members of the Turkish Democratic Party, such as Hüseyin Çelik and Köksal Toptan. Members like Kürşad Tüzmen had nationalist backgrounds.


What I meant was that a paper that is a conservative newspaper which has a "moderate" Islamic world view is only natural to voice the party that came into existence to replace former conservative/Islamic parties. Besides, the close relationship between Erdogan and Gulen is amply rumored.
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Thank you for the information. Excuse my stupidity, but I can find nothing in the above which tells me whether or not the AKP was "created in a bing-bang fashion".

I simply mean that the same conservative sections of society that supported Islamic/conservative parties before, for which Zaman was the medium, also supported the new party that came into being, AKP. I meant by using the big-bang expression that AKP represented a political philosophy that pre-existed and was expressed by other parties that in true Turkish fascist fashion were not allowed to continue. AKP came along and picked up the votes and the medium.

Sorry, English is not my native language and time is limited.

[Tim Drayton]

Hey antifon, do you think that you know more about turkey then Tim Drayton - he is English by the way (if I am not mistaken)

Thanks for your support, but don't upset things for these fruitcases. Of course Greeks know more than anybody else about anything, including about Turkey and Turks! How dare you suggest otherwise.

[antifon]

Hey antifon, do you think that you know more about turkey then Tim Drayton - he is English by the way (if I am not mistaken)

Thanks for your support, but don't upset things for these fruitcases. Of course Greeks know more than anybody else about anything, including about Turkey and Turks! How dare you suggest otherwise.

Thanks Tim. Share with us your wisdom instead.
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