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[Viewpoint]

None of these is acceptable. What is acceptable is a total and unequivocal removal of all things Turk - military, political and the cave-dwellers sent to push up the numbers from Cyprus. Everything returns to its original existence - Lefkosa rightfully becomes Lefkosia; the name Kibris ceases to exist; the name Ercan airport ceases to exist; all property is handed back to its rightful owners; all CHURCHES are restored to their original beauty; everything is scrubbed and cleaned. Obviously, island Turks should get their houses back in the South, but only a total cessation of anything Turk can and should be the goal.

Dream on.

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...Why should it have to be a dream? There's no give and take with you lot, is there? It's all take, take, take and no concessions. It's quite bizarre that you, as island Turks are now the third majority on the island - behind Greek Cypriots and mainland Turks yet you think you have the power to hold the country to ransom! The only people that can lose in this whole situation are Turks - mainland, island or both!!

[DTA]

Viewpoint...Why should it have to be a dream? There's no give and take with you lot, is there? It's all take, take, take and no concessions. It's quite bizarre that you, as island Turks are now the third majority on the island - behind Greek Cypriots and mainland Turks yet you think you have the power to hold the country to ransom! The only people that can lose in this whole situation are Turks - mainland, island or both!!

and your idea of concessions is this:

None of these is acceptable. What is acceptable is a total and unequivocal removal of all things Turk - military, political and the cave-dwellers sent to push up the numbers from Cyprus. Everything returns to its original existence - Lefkosa rightfully becomes Lefkosia; the name Kibris ceases to exist; the name Ercan airport ceases to exist; all property is handed back to its rightful owners; all CHURCHES are restored to their original beauty; everything is scrubbed and cleaned. Obviously, island Turks should get their houses back in the South, but only a total cessation of anything Turk can and should be the goal.

it does not seem like there are many areas of convergence in there does it?

So how many GCs do you know that think like you? do you go back to Cyprus much? Do the people there share your opinions?

[Mapko]

DTA...The language has been around for thousands of years. The names of these places have been around for hundreds of years. They have been altered for three decades. You do the maths and work out which has the strongest pull. To go back to originality is the norm - though obviously people in the North now find these names the norm the world does not. In all fairness, I did actually concede that the island Turks should get their old houses back in the South, though your Mosques are still standing and untouched and haven't been ransacked, pillaged and burned and your Mullahs haven't been raped, circumcised, burned and murdered (unlike our Churches in the summer of 1974 Northern Cyprus).

To be honest, with the Greek Cypriots I talk to, this isn't high on the agenda. Being brought up in England, they don't talk too much of what goes on in Cyprus - which annoys me. It's our birthright.

I go back to Cyprus (but not to the familial home for obvious reasons) a couple of times a year but, because it's a relatively short stay and there are so many homes to go to over the spread of the island, it's more about family things. As I posted previously, my dad never mentioned this to any of us (my brothers or me), on growing up. Perhaps it was because he wanted us to make our own minds up about things. I have and I've seen too many pictures, read too many stores and personal accounts of what happened to make me think there are any Turks out there that I wouldn't want to see burned alive. That might sound vicious and nasty and you may want to pigeon hole me because it makes you feel better, but I have never heard a good story about any Turk being nice during 1974 (apart from the police chief I posted about previously). I'm sure there may have been others - like there were some good Nazis during WWII - but I've just never heard anything. If you can point me to anything, please do so.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...Why should it have to be a dream? There's no give and take with you lot, is there? It's all take, take, take and no concessions. It's quite bizarre that you, as island Turks are now the third majority on the island - behind Greek Cypriots and mainland Turks yet you think you have the power to hold the country to ransom! The only people that can lose in this whole situation are Turks - mainland, island or both!!

That only shows how little you know TCs, we are not out to win anything but live in peace not under GC domination but as 2 equal communities under a BBF arrangement with political equality. All you want is a Greek island.

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...But it IS a Greek island. Unfortunately, you've let your side down and slipped up, haven't you? Tut, tut, tut - you posted you want to live as two communities! I thought you all wanted to live as one community - a Cypriot community - not under a Greek or Turk yoke! We're going back to the 1960's agreements here - if you become members of a unified Cypriot government, you should only have proportional representation of island Turks (forget the mainlanders). If there are 800,000 Greek Cypriots and only 62,000 island Turks, do you think your few should hold equal rights as to the many? If it's one vote counts for one for everyone and everyone stands as a Cypriot, then fair enough, but don't say the few should have more power than the many - this isn't the British Empire!

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint...But it IS a Greek island. Unfortunately, you've let your side down and slipped up, haven't you? Tut, tut, tut - you posted you want to live as two communities! I thought you all wanted to live as one community - a Cypriot community - not under a Greek or Turk yoke! We're going back to the 1960's agreements here - if you become members of a unified Cypriot government, you should only have proportional representation of island Turks (forget the mainlanders). If there are 800,000 Greek Cypriots and only 62,000 island Turks, do you think your few should hold equal rights as to the many? If it's one vote counts for one for everyone and everyone stands as a Cypriot, then fair enough, but don't say the few should have more power than the many - this isn't the British Empire!

Hello your leaders are negotiating a BBF do you know what that is? We are two equal partners when will you understand this, we have just as much say as you do. Cyprus has never been Greek, its like us saying Cyprus is a Turkish island at least we have a claim you dont even have that.

[Mapko]

Cyprus is not a Turk island - apart from a couple of centuries of enslavement - it is a Greek island. An Orthodox island. A Christian island. I did actually state one vote equality, but for you to hold more power would be ridiculous. Yes, I know what BBF is and, as long as it send the mainland Turks back and the military back to where they belong, I'm all for it. If that happened could you honestly say you could trust a Greek Cypriot? If there was a burglary, or arson, or theft, or anything untoward, could you honestly say your first thoughts would not be to point your finger at a Greek Cypriot?

[Viewpoint]

Cyprus is not a Turk island - apart from a couple of centuries of enslavement - it is a Greek island. An Orthodox island. A Christian island. I did actually state one vote equality, but for you to hold more power would be ridiculous. Yes, I know what BBF is and, as long as it send the mainland Turks back and the military back to where they belong, I'm all for it. If that happened could you honestly say you could trust a Greek Cypriot? If there was a burglary, or arson, or theft, or anything untoward, could you honestly say your first thoughts would not be to point your finger at a Greek Cypriot?

Cyprus is not a Greek island never was never will be, get that into your head.

Why i point the finger at a GC if I dont know who did it?

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...I'm just trying to point out the mistrust between the two communities if they ever became one. It would only take a small incident to start off another war.

Cyprus' main language is Greek. Its main religion is Greek Orthodox. The majority of the people of the island eat, sleep, speak, laugh, cry Greek. So does that make it Turkish?