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[Get Real!]

Are the three samples from Greece the same, no thats what we call variation dip shit!

Thanks for the link Yialoser!

[Get Real!]

Why is this clown (GR) allowed to post here? Can't you restrict him to the Sports/Entertainment and Jokes and Enigmas sections only?

To laugh at Slavic-Greek clowns like you!

[yialousa1971]

Why is this clown (GR) allowed to post here? Can't you restrict him to the Sports/Entertainment and Jokes and Enigmas sections only?

To laugh at Slavic-Greek clowns like you!

That's it clown go off topic like you normally do when you haven't got a clue what you are talking about! Everybody can see that you're just a fool, you just proved that here, the different percentage of haplogroups is nothing more than the amount of Hellenic tribes that make up the Hellenic population ie. the more J2 the more Minoan or Peloponnesian (Mycenaean) that part is!

Haplogroup J (Y-DNA)

J is a Middle Eastern haplogroup, divided into the northern J2 and the southern J1. J2 is by far the most common variety in Europe.

Haplogroup J2

J2 originated in northern Mesopotamia, and spread westward to Anatolia and southern Europe, and eastward to Persia and India. J2 is related to the Ancient Etruscans, (Minoan) Greeks, southern Anatolians, Phoenicians, Assyrians and Babylonians.

In Europe, J2 reaches its highest frequency in Greece (especially in Crete, Peloponese and Thrace), southern and central Italy, southern France, and southern Spain. The ancient Greeks and Phoenicians were the main driving forces behind the spread J2 around the western and southern Mediterranean.

J2 is thought to have arrived in Greece from Anatolia in the early Neolithic, or possibly even earlier. J2b perhaps originated in Greece (or in Anatolia ?), like haplogroup E-V13 (see below) to which it is closely linked. The propagation of J2b and E-V13 (as well as a minority of T) follows the diffusion of agriculture across the Balkans, the Danube basin, and until the north of France to the west, and Moldova to the east. Apart from south-east Europe, J2b is also found all around India, but only at moderate levels in between Europe and India.

The world's maximum concentrations of J2a is in Crete (32% of the population). The subclade J2a8 appears to be native to Crete. J2a also reaches high frequencies in Anatolia and the southern Caucasus. A likely place of origin is northern Mesopotamia.

Interestingly, J2a* is found as far as India and is largely confined to the upper castes. The Brahmin (priest) caste is made up almost exclusively of haplogroups R1a1, R2, and J2a (although R1a1 makes up two thirds of the lineages). These 3 haplogroups have Bronze Age coalescence time and are thought to represent the gene flow of the Indo-Aryan invasion of the Indian subcontinent about 3,500 years ago.

[Get Real!]

Why is this clown (GR) allowed to post here? Can't you restrict him to the Sports/Entertainment and Jokes and Enigmas sections only?

To laugh at Slavic-Greek clowns like you!

That's it clown go off topic like you normally do when you haven't got a clue what you are talking about! Everybody can see that you're just a fool, you just proved that here, the different percentage of haplogroups is nothing more than the amount of Hellenic tribes that make up the Hellenic population ie. the more J2 the more Minoan or Peloponnesian (Mycenaean) that part is!

You don’t even have a quarter of my intellect you little gypsy, and you have the audacity to claim a relation to a thoroughbred Cypriot like me?

You can dream of greatness all you want but a Slavic monkey you were born and a Slavic monkey you will die!

[yialousa1971]

Why is this clown (GR) allowed to post here? Can't you restrict him to the Sports/Entertainment and Jokes and Enigmas sections only?

To laugh at Slavic-Greek clowns like you!

That's it clown go off topic like you normally do when you haven't got a clue what you are talking about! Everybody can see that you're just a fool, you just proved that here, the different percentage of haplogroups is nothing more than the amount of Hellenic tribes that make up the Hellenic population ie. the more J2 the more Minoan or Peloponnesian (Mycenaean) that part is!

You don’t even have a quarter of my intellect you little gypsy, and you have the audacity to claim a relation to a thoroughbred Cypriot like me?

You can dream of greatness all you want but a Slavic monkey you were born and a Slavic monkey you will die!

Doesn't look like a intelligent post to me, stick to the subject or continue to show us you're a clown, fool!

Btw you're the Monkey, don't you remember we are sending you into space on a one way sucide voyage.

[supporttheunderdog]

But the mycenaens are R1A not J2

[ZoC]

Here we look at variation within Greece:-



As we can see the same haplogroups exist in Cyprus:-

dunno about anyone else but this totally convinces me u've got the intelligence of a brain-damaged slug on skunk.

[yialousa1971]

But the mycenaens are R1A not J2

Go and test a Mycenaen bones.

E-V13 is also associated with the ancient Greek expansion and colonisation. Outside of the Balkans and Central Europe, it is particularly common in Southern Italy, Cyprus and Southern France, all part of the Classcical ancient Greek world.

And btw I don't beleive in the Anglo/German Out of Africa or Indo European theory!

[yialousa1971]

Here we look at variation within Greece:-



As we can see the same haplogroups exist in Cyprus:-

dunno about anyone else but this totally convinces me u've got the intelligence of a brain-damaged slug on skunk.

So what are you telling us, you don't know what you're talking about so you need to use personal insults just like the other clown/fool (GR).

Another.......

[mem101]

Thanks very much for the link yialousa1971.

So the two main haplogroups in Cyprus are J2 (Mesopatamian, Minoan Greek, Phonoecian) and E1b1b (North and East African, Near Eastern, Balkanic). E1b1b, according to the site, represents the last migration out of Africa into Europe. I think it's fair to assume that this 20% represents the first migration to Cyprus around 10,000 years ago - the end of the Upper Paleolithic era. The J2 group would then represent the coming of Phonoecians and Minoan Greeks. While the proportions are similar for Greece, Crete, Thessaly, and Cyprus, there are significant differences, and similar spreads can also be observed if you look at South Italy, Sicily, and Turkey. J2 is also prominent in the middle east. You can also see that these haplogroups are common throughout Europe, just in different proportions.

This doesn't mean that Cyprus is Greek as seems to be the motive of the post. Cyprus was certainly a part of the Ancient Greek world, but I think you misinterpret what that means. Ancient Greece wasn't a united nation...

The point of this thread was actually intended to show that Turkish and Greek Cypriots descend from the same stock, that we are brothers, and should stop the fighting and try to build trust and work toward union. While I find the information about geneaology useful and interesting, it doesn't really address these points.

By the way, Supporttheunderdog is right, the Mycenaens are R1a not J2. The key at the top of the table lists the haplogroups by ethnicity.