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[Hermes]

Do not put false interpretations on my motives...I am trying to establish what exactly happened ,and where it happened...The Turkish Army does not need me to defend them...

I repeat,if people get arrested there must be a reason...It could be a simple mistake of course...I don't know,I wasnt there...And neither were you...But that doesnt stop you from piling heaps of rubbish on anyone you can think of...You are a miserable,sad excuse of a man...Remember to engage your brain before you open your mouth next time...If you have a brain.

I'm amazed you have the nerve to make such a post. You have done nothing but attempt to justify the Turkish army's actions as having a legitimate basis. And have gone as far as to make distasteful references that these officials were lucky not to be shot. You make unsubstantiated suggestions that these parliamentarians set out to provoke the Turkish army into arresting them and question the integrity of everyone involved - except of course the stupid clowns of the occupation regime who arrested them! You accuse the former MEP, Matsis, of being a "madman" when it's been pointed out to you several times that he is not the person you are mistaking him for (who is Matsakis). You then have the audacity to accuse others of not thinking before they post!

Right up until this latest stupid post you have displayed a crassness, ignorance, belligerence and a downright offensive stupidity which even by your usually low standards you have managed to surpass. Congratulations. As a self-confessed spokesman for the T/C community you have plumbed new depths. It's attitudes like yours that have resulted in the current miserable predicament of the T/Cs. Of course you don't get how self-defeating and absurd such actions are. How stupid the "trnc" appears by arresting priests, MEPS and EP officials. Instead of seeing this as an opportunity to distance yourself from the Turkish army's offensive presence in Cyprus you try and find reasons for how they were right to do what they did!

And you have the unbelievable gall of setting yourself up as the true and virtuous one on this forum who is not a victim of blinkered intolerance! Dear God! What a totally bloody deluded fool you can be at times.

[boomerang]

From a statement issued by Wilfred Martens, The President of the European People's Party, the largest transnational European political party:

''I am astonished by this incident. The Turkish military forces do not have the right to arrest current and former European parliamentarians and other European citizens, who were there on a mission to examine the current state of religious monuments in the ghost-town of Famagusta.''

Wilfred Martens should answer these questions first:

One: Who gave these former and current EU parliamentarians the mission to examine what they were examining???

Two: Did they have the permission of the trnc authorities for such a visit???

Three: Could they be simply on a mission of Provocation encouraged by a certain madman named Matsis???

were you born stupid or is something you aquired later on in life?

put up or shut up time douche....evidence where matsis is a madman...

just remember marios "big balls" matsakis and the this dude matsis are 2 different people...

and wilfred does not have to justify nothing to you...as the "parasites" only thing they are good for is being fed and maintained...refuse eu aid if you feel vindicated...simple really...

[DT.]

From a statement issued by Wilfred Martens, The President of the European People's Party, the largest transnational European political party:

''I am astonished by this incident. The Turkish military forces do not have the right to arrest current and former European parliamentarians and other European citizens, who were there on a mission to examine the current state of religious monuments in the ghost-town of Famagusta.''

Wilfred Martens should answer these questions first:

One: Who gave these former and current EU parliamentarians the mission to examine what they were examining???

Two: Did they have the permission of the trnc authorities for such a visit???

Three: Could they be simply on a mission of Provocation encouraged by a certain madman named Matsis???

For the last time Bir, Yiannakis Matsis has no relation to the "madman" Matsakis. Matsis has always worked closely in the Democratic Rally with Clerides as his number 2. You remember Clerides, the only politician in Cyprus Bananiot has any respect for.

[Bananiot]

Just as if you knew the difference between Rauf and Raif! That was for Boomerang.

One small addition DT. Matsis betrayed Klerides and thus I am not so sure about how closely he worked with Klerides. The rest of his family have stayed steadfast with Klerides.

[boomerang]

Just as if you knew the difference between Rauf and Raif! That was for Boomerang.

One small addition DT. Matsis betrayed Klerides and thus I am not so sure about how closely he worked with Klerides. The rest of his family have stayed steadfast with Klerides.

this from the idiot that couldn't decipher a two line sentence...

the truth of the matter you allowed your "true cypriot brother", continiously making a dork of himself...why didn't you correct him huh?...i

and who matsis had any dealings here is not the issue...the issue is as you pointed out even tc politicians critisize the arrest...why didn't you feed this important information to yor "true cypriot brother", again saving him from making a bigger fool of himself, huh?....

some "true cypriot brother" you turned out to be...fuck who needs enemies, huh?...i guess as kiks would say, if you can't fuck a friend who can you fuck?...

ksikola re vlaka pou thame...

[denizaksulu]

Anyway, both were charged and fined 200TL each and released.
The other MEPs were not charged with anything because of diplomatic immunity.
The two who were charged did not accept or deny any guilt.

[Hermes]

Good Piece from the Cyprus Mail (I never thought I'd say that) which nails down all the arguments:

Our View: Detainment of Famagusta group mere power play

THE TWO Greek Cypriots, who were held for 48 hours in the occupied north for entering the fenced-off area of Famagusta, were released yesterday after appearing in ‘court’ and being made to pay a fine of 200 Turkish lira each.

The four Members of the European Parliament and two priests who were also detained by Turkish troops were set free on Saturday evening after undergoing questioning for several hours.

This was a blatant show of arrogant muscle-flexing by the Turkish occupation troops who have been guarding a ghost town for 37 years now. Perhaps, arresting unarmed civilians, who venture a few yards into the fenced off area, once in a blue moon, gives the Turkish troops something to do – distraction from the mundane reality that they are guarding a deserted town.

For 37 years, the occupation troops have been guarding the empty buildings and streets of Varosha, with a doggedness that defies belief.

The arrest of the four MEPs – two Poles, a Bulgarian and a Greek Cypriot – and one retired MEP would attract some attention to Turkey’s insane commitment to keep a town empty rather than allow its residents to return to their homes.

In the last couple of years there have been concerted efforts to persuade Turkey to open up the fenced-off area to its residents, but nothing has come of them.

A petition was sent to the European Parliament while President Christofias has proposed the opening of the town under the UN –as a confidence-building measure - but Ankara has refused to even discuss such a possibility.

Presumably, the idea is that the return of Famagusta would take place only if there was a settlement. And if there is no deal, would the Turks carry on guarding a ghost town from intruders or open it up and move Anatolian settlers in?

The nationalist Turkish Cypriot press, predictably, said that what had happened on Saturday was a Greek Cypriot provocation. The foreign MEPs had been taken inside the fenced area by their Greek Cypriot hosts in order to provoke an incident. Even if this were the case why did the Turkish military oblige? There would have been no incident if the group were told to leave, instead of being detained, by the Turkish soldiers.

But the truth is that the Turkish army cannot pass the opportunity to drive home the crude message that as long as Famagusta is under occupation nobody would be allowed entry. That is a much bigger provocation than the one supposedly committed by MEPs walking a few yards into the fenced area.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/president-ch ... y/20110315

[BirKibrisli]

So I have mistaken Matsis with the madman Matsakis...What is the big deal??? My questions still remain unanswered...Who gave them this 'mission'? did they recieve permission to carry out their 'mission'??? What were they doing in the 'forbidden military zone' if not acting as provocateurs????

I tell you what your problem is,and why you are getting your knickers in a knot...the state which you insist does not exist,and the Turkish Army which you now know exist in this non existent state,have reminded you once again how helpless you are in the face of them...

You don't like waking up from your delusion,and face realities...Nobody is going to come to your aid..No stunts via ignorant and naive EU parliamentarians and their accomplices will have any effect on Turkey's grip on 37 % of our country...The only way forward towards a peceful solution if for you to accept your past wrongs and mistakes,start seeing the TC community as equal partners in the RoC,and make the necessary compromises to bring aobut a fair and lasting solution...

And one more thing..Point me to one sentence I wrote in support of the TA in Cyprus...I have always argued that Turkey should have reestablished the independence and the equlibrium of the RoC constitution in 74,and pull out as soon as practically possible...I have argued many times that to pull the rag from under the TA all Christofias has to do is to invite the TCs back to the republic with their full rights as per the 1960 agreements...does that sound like support for the TA to stay in Cyprus forever???

When you start acting like hysterical teenagers in a pop concert ,over some idiotic act of provocation,someone has to step in and ask some logical questions...That is all I am doing...I am still waiting for the answers to my questions...

[DT.]

So I have mistaken Matsis with the madman Matsakis...What is the big deal??? My questions still remain unanswered...Who gave them this 'mission'? did they recieve permission to carry out their 'mission'??? What were they doing in the 'forbidden military zone' if not acting as provocateurs????

I tell you what your problem is,and why you are getting your knickers in a knot...the state which you insist does not exist,and the Turkish Army which you now know exist in this non existent state,have reminded you once again how helpless you are in the face of them...

You don't like waking up from your delusion,and face realities...Nobody is going to come to your aid..No stunts via ignorant and naive EU parliamentarians and their accomplices will have any effect on Turkey's grip on 37 % of our country...The only way forward towards a peceful solution if for you to accept your past wrongs and mistakes,start seeing the TC community as equal partners in the RoC,and make the necessary compromises to bring aobut a fair and lasting solution...

And one more thing..Point me to one sentence I wrote in support of the TA in Cyprus...I have always argued that Turkey should have reestablished the independence and the equlibrium of the RoC constitution in 74,and pull out as soon as practically possible...I have argued many times that to pull the rag from under the TA all Christofias has to do is to invite the TCs back to the republic with their full rights as per the 1960 agreements...does that sound like support for the TA to stay in Cyprus forever???

When you start acting like hysterical teenagers in a pop concert ,over some idiotic act of provocation,someone has to step in and ask some logical questions...That is all I am doing...I am still waiting for the answers to my questions...

I'll pick up one point you make bir which I find important. No one here has said they didn't like what just happened or that the TA somehow snapped the GCs out of their delusions that someone will come to help them as you state. This is simply an exercise in schadenfreude, were the TA have committed the International equivalent of Mel Gibson screaming racist drunk remarks to a police officer.

Nothing will change in the long run but bad PR against the occupiers of our country can never be a bad thing.

[Hermes]

My questions still remain unanswered...Who gave them this 'mission'? did they recieve permission to carry out their 'mission'??? What were they doing in the 'forbidden military zone' if not acting as provocateurs????:

Why don't you just give up? They were a delegation from a Committee of the EU Parliament on a tour of derelict Orthodox Christian churches and cemeteries in the occupied areas. They don't need "permission" to visit deserted religious monuments and cemeteries. They are everywhere in the north.

The "forbidden military zone" as you put it, is an abandoned church on the edge of a ghost town which the Turkish army insanely guard (as the CM article above aptly puts it).

If you really believe the Turkish army had no choice but to arrest these people then you truly have sunk to the same level of belligerence and stupidity that keeps Turkish troops "guarding" the abandoned town of Varosha. Now give it a rest.