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[ZoC]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.

We have agreed that some settlers will go back but the same criteria has to be applied to all citizens after 1974 as we did not agree to the those granted by you nor you agree to those granted by us, now do you understand?

No mate you got it wrong... The law is quite clear... the Government of The Republic ... and you signed up to the Treaty of Establishment, is the sole legal authority on the whole island.

The Republic, and the Republic alone, has the authority to grant citizenships.

Bill,you can be a reasonable man...Put on your reasonable hat...The Republic the TCs signed up do not exist...The present RoC is the GC version of the original republic,having bullied and intimidated the TC community to withdraw...Just because a robbery has been overlooked by the rest of the world does not make that robbery legal...The victims of your robbery have every moral right to establish their own order,till you come to your senses and agree to a just solution...If you don't, well,soon the world will not give a damn about the tiny pimple on her arse which is the RoC...

i don't think so. the puss needs to be squeezed out before the itching can stop.

[BirKibrisli]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.

We have agreed that some settlers will go back but the same criteria has to be applied to all citizens after 1974 as we did not agree to the those granted by you nor you agree to those granted by us, now do you understand?

No mate you got it wrong... The law is quite clear... the Government of The Republic ... and you signed up to the Treaty of Establishment, is the sole legal authority on the whole island.

The Republic, and the Republic alone, has the authority to grant citizenships.

Bill,you can be a reasonable man...Put on your reasonable hat...The Republic the TCs signed up do not exist...The present RoC is the GC version of the original republic,having bullied and intimidated the TC community to withdraw...Just because a robbery has been overlooked by the rest of the world does not make that robbery legal...The victims of your robbery have every moral right to establish their own order,till you come to your senses and agree to a just solution...If you don't, well,soon the world will not give a damn about the tiny pimple on her arse which is the RoC...

i don't think so. the puss needs to be squeezed out before the itching can stop.

The puss has been oozing out slowly over the past 48 years...Soon even the scar will disappear!

[Nikitas]

VP said:

"You to have imported the Pontians and many other foreigners willl you also send them back?"

You are confusing the legal residents, who do NOT get citizenship, who do NOT get anyone's house as a gift with illegal settlers. But even if you count those the sheer numbers are beyond comparison. As for getting citizenship in the RoC, no matter how much you like to be cynical and believe that they do what the TC administration does, they are very tight with their citizenship. I am a RoC cittizen, so is my son, but my wife cannot get it after 30 years of marriage, she cannot even apply.

As for BBF beinga mutually exclusive, excluding Enosis and Taksim, that is not my take. BBF IS TAKSIM, in the sense that it enforces a geographic and ethnic separation. It is also clear that after a solution, of the two communities the one that will retain closer ties with its "motherland" are the TCs with a sizeable Turkish embassy, several daily ferry links to Turkey and no doubt countless flights. In short the Enosis plus Taksim of the north with Turkey will go on. After all this you keep repeating that you reject what the GCs want for you, and it is not clear exactly what you are objecting to. Has anyone proposed any solution other than BBF in the last 30 years? If so who? Are you objecting to BBF and I did not understand ?

[bill cobbett]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.

We have agreed that some settlers will go back but the same criteria has to be applied to all citizens after 1974 as we did not agree to the those granted by you nor you agree to those granted by us, now do you understand?

No mate you got it wrong... The law is quite clear... the Government of The Republic ... and you signed up to the Treaty of Establishment, is the sole legal authority on the whole island.

The Republic, and the Republic alone, has the authority to grant citizenships.

Bill,you can be a reasonable man...Put on your reasonable hat...The Republic the TCs signed up do not exist...The present RoC is the GC version of the original republic,having bullied and intimidated the TC community to withdraw...Just because a robbery has been overlooked by the rest of the world does not make that robbery legal...The victims of your robbery have every moral right to establish their own order,till you come to your senses and agree to a just solution...If you don't, well,soon the world will not give a damn about the tiny pimple on her arse which is the RoC...

Gosh Bir, don't you just hate it when someone agrees with you or heaps paise upon you on CF...

Will say a couple of things..... very reasonably...

Firstly on this settler citizenship business... there are two, on the face of it, extreme positions, the Eroglu stand as supported by VP above, and that is that all can stay cos they've been given "citizenship", and the opposing position is that the RoC remains not just the legitimate authority in my eyes, but also and this is an important test ...

... the authority that is closest to accepted norms around the World of how applications for citizenship are considered and how citizenship is acquired... so is the position that citizenship is acquired by such things as birth and marriage, and not by the Erroglu/VP method of illegal settlement, contrary to the 4th Article of the Geneva Convention, so extreme...is it so unreasonable to apply this standard test of citizenship?

So don't agree with you that your well-known experiences, views and criticisms of the behaviour of the Republic 63-74 do anything to undermine the authority and the position in law of the modern-day Republic on this settler/citizenship affair.

(Noted Nikitas's experience re his wife's application for citizenship)

Secondly, as it has been raised, on this "motherland" business, this should worry everyone that this very real love for motherland is still exceptionally strong in the Occupied Areas, so very, very strong that the influence of the motherland in any future zone will be catastrophic for CY unity... and you'll know that later this month the Regime or its supporters have organised a demo/protest/stunt to demonstrate "Devotion for "nctr" and Turkey"... ..in the middle of settlement talks for re-unification!!!!!!!

Very worrying that Errorglu and others feel they can start a northern zone on the foundation of disregard for the Geneva Convention and on such things as Devotion for Turkey ... very, very worrying.

[humanist]

The only BBF that can exit in a democratic nation is the case of Quebec, some of you are getting sick and tired of listening to that but that is the truth. You cannot have democracy and restrict people movement based on their ethnicity.

[BirKibrisli]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.

We have agreed that some settlers will go back but the same criteria has to be applied to all citizens after 1974 as we did not agree to the those granted by you nor you agree to those granted by us, now do you understand?

No mate you got it wrong... The law is quite clear... the Government of The Republic ... and you signed up to the Treaty of Establishment, is the sole legal authority on the whole island.

The Republic, and the Republic alone, has the authority to grant citizenships.

Bill,you can be a reasonable man...Put on your reasonable hat...The Republic the TCs signed up do not exist...The present RoC is the GC version of the original republic,having bullied and intimidated the TC community to withdraw...Just because a robbery has been overlooked by the rest of the world does not make that robbery legal...The victims of your robbery have every moral right to establish their own order,till you come to your senses and agree to a just solution...If you don't, well,soon the world will not give a damn about the tiny pimple on her arse which is the RoC...

Gosh Bir, don't you just hate it when someone agrees with you or heaps paise upon you on CF...

Will say a couple of things..... very reasonably...

Firstly on this settler citizenship business... there are two, on the face of it, extreme positions, the Eroglu stand as supported by VP above, and that is that all can stay cos they've been given "citizenship", and the opposing position is that the RoC remains not just the legitimate authority in my eyes, but also and this is an important test ...

... the authority that is closest to accepted norms around the World of how applications for citizenship are considered and how citizenship is acquired... so is the position that citizenship is acquired by such things as birth and marriage, and not by the Erroglu/VP method of illegal settlement, contrary to the 4th Article of the Geneva Convention, so extreme...is it so unreasonable to apply this standard test of citizenship?

So don't agree with you that your well-known experiences, views and criticisms of the behaviour of the Republic 63-74 do anything to undermine the authority and the position in law of the modern-day Republic on this settler/citizenship affair.

(Noted Nikitas's experience re his wife's application for citizenship)

Secondly, as it has been raised, on this "motherland" business, this should worry everyone that this very real love for motherland is still exceptionally strong in the Occupied Areas, so very, very strong that the influence of the motherland in any future zone will be catastrophic for CY unity... and you'll know that later this month the Regime or its supporters have organised a demo/protest/stunt to demonstrate "Devotion for "nctr" and Turkey"... ..in the middle of settlement talks for re-unification!!!!!!!

Very worrying that Errorglu and others feel they can start a northern zone on the foundation of disregard for the Geneva Convention and on such things as Devotion for Turkey ... very, very worrying.

Bill,I have been warning you all about this for some years now...You have all chosen to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear...Now you come and quote some article of some convention and hope that will settle the issue...The whole matter is very complex,and you are only making it worse if you try to reduce it to an article of some international agreement...Let me see and hear you talk about the international agreements the GCs have broken going back to 1960,and admit your community's part in the present situation...We can then talk sensibly about the political and humanitarian situation we are facing...Personally I too am against the subverting of the TC community's political,social,and cultural will by the numbers of settlers,but we cannot solve it if you insist on the simplistic approach you are using...

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[boulio]

Bill,I have been warning you all about this for some years now...You have all chosen to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear...Now you come and quote some article of some convention and hope that will settle the issue...The whole matter is very complex,and you are only making it worse if you try to reduce it to an article of some international agreement...Let me see and hear you talk about the international agreements the GCs have broken going back to 1960,and admit your community's part in the present situation...We can then talk sensibly about the political and humanitarian situation we are facing...Personally I too am against the subverting of the TC community's political,social,and cultural will by the numbers of settlers,but we cannot solve it if you insist on the simplistic approach you are using...

you keep spewing nonsence about the ROC Breaking agreements and hijacking the republic etc etc.If you and Turkey have a case please bye all means take it to the UNSC or the international court in the hague.Stateyour case and see what happens if not kindley STFU.

[bill cobbett]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.

We have agreed that some settlers will go back but the same criteria has to be applied to all citizens after 1974 as we did not agree to the those granted by you nor you agree to those granted by us, now do you understand?

No mate you got it wrong... The law is quite clear... the Government of The Republic ... and you signed up to the Treaty of Establishment, is the sole legal authority on the whole island.

The Republic, and the Republic alone, has the authority to grant citizenships.

Bill,you can be a reasonable man...Put on your reasonable hat...The Republic the TCs signed up do not exist...The present RoC is the GC version of the original republic,having bullied and intimidated the TC community to withdraw...Just because a robbery has been overlooked by the rest of the world does not make that robbery legal...The victims of your robbery have every moral right to establish their own order,till you come to your senses and agree to a just solution...If you don't, well,soon the world will not give a damn about the tiny pimple on her arse which is the RoC...

Gosh Bir, don't you just hate it when someone agrees with you or heaps paise upon you on CF...

Will say a couple of things..... very reasonably...

Firstly on this settler citizenship business... there are two, on the face of it, extreme positions, the Eroglu stand as supported by VP above, and that is that all can stay cos they've been given "citizenship", and the opposing position is that the RoC remains not just the legitimate authority in my eyes, but also and this is an important test ...

... the authority that is closest to accepted norms around the World of how applications for citizenship are considered and how citizenship is acquired... so is the position that citizenship is acquired by such things as birth and marriage, and not by the Erroglu/VP method of illegal settlement, contrary to the 4th Article of the Geneva Convention, so extreme...is it so unreasonable to apply this standard test of citizenship?

So don't agree with you that your well-known experiences, views and criticisms of the behaviour of the Republic 63-74 do anything to undermine the authority and the position in law of the modern-day Republic on this settler/citizenship affair.

(Noted Nikitas's experience re his wife's application for citizenship)

Secondly, as it has been raised, on this "motherland" business, this should worry everyone that this very real love for motherland is still exceptionally strong in the Occupied Areas, so very, very strong that the influence of the motherland in any future zone will be catastrophic for CY unity... and you'll know that later this month the Regime or its supporters have organised a demo/protest/stunt to demonstrate "Devotion for "nctr" and Turkey"... ..in the middle of settlement talks for re-unification!!!!!!!

Very worrying that Errorglu and others feel they can start a northern zone on the foundation of disregard for the Geneva Convention and on such things as Devotion for Turkey ... very, very worrying.

Bill,I have been warning you all about this for some years now...You have all chosen to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear...Now you come and quote some article of some convention and hope that will settle the issue...The whole matter is very complex,and you are only making it worse if you try to reduce it to an article of some international agreement...Let me see and hear you talk about the international agreements the GCs have broken going back to 1960,and admit your community's part in the present situation...We can then talk sensibly about the political and humanitarian situation we are facing...Personally I too am against the subverting of the TC community's political,social,and cultural will by the numbers of settlers,but we cannot solve it if you insist on the simplistic approach you are using...

Bir.. please don't try and sweep the 4th Geneva Convention under the carpet, it ain't a trifling matter.

The talks are being held within UN Guidelines, within the UN Resolutions and you will find ref to the Settler Problem and the terms of the Geneva Convention in those resolutions.

You will of course also find ref to the terms of a BBF in there as well.

If you choose to ignore the Geneva Convention part of the UN resolutions, shall we ignore the BBF part as well???

Stick to the Resolutions mate, all of them.