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[denizaksulu]

The President of the republic has made commitments and recommendations on the return of Varoshia for a joint rebuilding venture. Eroglu is still thinking about it. Reality is the TC community of 15% of the population are in self exile because they want Enosis with Turkey because Eroglu is a Turk as he pledged like the rest of them and he would like the Turks of Turkey to accept him as a full fledged Turk who still hopes of giving 1/3 of Island to Turkey and loose all TC power in government and control of any destiny.

Humanist, Sir, please tell me, are you or your family in Oz because you are in 'self -exile'? I vehemently object to this description of the TCs who chose to leave Cyprus thus. It was not out of choice, but because of the lack of choice. Think about it carefully.

[Nikitas]

VP, the spirit of compromise was demostrated over and over by the GCs in their commitment to a true and viable BBF, which is the polite way of saying partition. What they will not do is accept any deviation from federation and veer towards confederation. If you look around there are very few succesful confederations in the world but plentyof federations, there must be a reason for that!.

The maximalist demands I see in this process are things like the unreasonable territorial demands, the insistence on separate sovereignty in a federation, (which is an oxymoron), the retention of hundreds of thousands of foreign settlers. There has even been one super cynical response to the settler issue when it was mentioned that the south did not import any settlers: "you should have foreseen the issue and imported some to use as bargaining chips".

[-mikkie2-]

As long as the UN and other powers interested in CyProb absolve Turkey of her responsibilities in Cyprus then we will never have a solution. Unfortunately we have gone several steps backwards since Eroglu took over the reigns and its the GC's that will get the blame for the failure of the talks! There appers to be no spirit of compromise on the TC side. Turkish EU accession now needs to be put to the test. Can Turkey continue to reap the rewards of Customs Union? Perhaps its time to challenge this notion within the EU that Turkey can continue to reap the benefits whilst not adhering to her obligations.

[Viewpoint]

VP, the spirit of compromise was demostrated over and over by the GCs in their commitment to a true and viable BBF, which is the polite way of saying partition. What they will not do is accept any deviation from federation and veer towards confederation. If you look around there are very few succesful confederations in the world but plentyof federations, there must be a reason for that!.

The maximalist demands I see in this process are things like the unreasonable territorial demands, the insistence on separate sovereignty in a federation, (which is an oxymoron), the retention of hundreds of thousands of foreign settlers. There has even been one super cynical response to the settler issue when it was mentioned that the south did not import any settlers: "you should have foreseen the issue and imported some to use as bargaining chips".

Nikitas BBF is compromise for both sides your enosis for our taksim. Confederation is not an option.
50.000 settlers is hardly a massive amount when you consider the number of marriages and the number of years settlers have lived in the TRNC.
You to have imported the Pontians and many other foreigners willl you also send them back?

[quattro]

VP, the spirit of compromise was demostrated over and over by the GCs in their commitment to a true and viable BBF, which is the polite way of saying partition. What they will not do is accept any deviation from federation and veer towards confederation. If you look around there are very few succesful confederations in the world but plentyof federations, there must be a reason for that!.

The maximalist demands I see in this process are things like the unreasonable territorial demands, the insistence on separate sovereignty in a federation, (which is an oxymoron), the retention of hundreds of thousands of foreign settlers. There has even been one super cynical response to the settler issue when it was mentioned that the south did not import any settlers: "you should have foreseen the issue and imported some to use as bargaining chips".

Nikitas BBF is compromise for both sides your enosis for our taksim. Confederation is not an option.
50.000 settlers is hardly a massive amount when you consider the number of marriages and the number of years settlers have lived in the TRNC.
You to have imported the Pontians and many other foreigners willl you also send them back?

VP those people came in to a legitimate state ROC from legal ports with passports and they are EU citizens with no cypriot citizenship. HOW the SETTLERS came in the north ?

[Viewpoint]

VP, the spirit of compromise was demostrated over and over by the GCs in their commitment to a true and viable BBF, which is the polite way of saying partition. What they will not do is accept any deviation from federation and veer towards confederation. If you look around there are very few succesful confederations in the world but plentyof federations, there must be a reason for that!.

The maximalist demands I see in this process are things like the unreasonable territorial demands, the insistence on separate sovereignty in a federation, (which is an oxymoron), the retention of hundreds of thousands of foreign settlers. There has even been one super cynical response to the settler issue when it was mentioned that the south did not import any settlers: "you should have foreseen the issue and imported some to use as bargaining chips".

Nikitas BBF is compromise for both sides your enosis for our taksim. Confederation is not an option.
50.000 settlers is hardly a massive amount when you consider the number of marriages and the number of years settlers have lived in the TRNC.
You to have imported the Pontians and many other foreigners willl you also send them back?

VP those people came in to a legitimate state ROC from legal ports with passports and they are EU citizens with no cypriot citizenship. HOW the SETTLERS came in the north ?

Through TRNC ports and they now have TRNC citizenship and reside in the TRNC.
All will come out in the wash when each person who has been granted citizenship on both sides since 1974 will be reviewed and either allowed to stay or sent back.

[quattro]

VP, the spirit of compromise was demostrated over and over by the GCs in their commitment to a true and viable BBF, which is the polite way of saying partition. What they will not do is accept any deviation from federation and veer towards confederation. If you look around there are very few succesful confederations in the world but plentyof federations, there must be a reason for that!.

The maximalist demands I see in this process are things like the unreasonable territorial demands, the insistence on separate sovereignty in a federation, (which is an oxymoron), the retention of hundreds of thousands of foreign settlers. There has even been one super cynical response to the settler issue when it was mentioned that the south did not import any settlers: "you should have foreseen the issue and imported some to use as bargaining chips".

Nikitas BBF is compromise for both sides your enosis for our taksim. Confederation is not an option.
50.000 settlers is hardly a massive amount when you consider the number of marriages and the number of years settlers have lived in the TRNC.
You to have imported the Pontians and many other foreigners willl you also send them back?

VP those people came in to a legitimate state ROC from legal ports with passports and they are EU citizens with no cypriot citizenship. HOW the SETTLERS came in the north ?

Through TRNC ports and they now have TRNC citizenship and reside in the TRNC.
All will come out in the wash when each person who has been granted citizenship on both sides since 1974 will be reviewed and either allowed to stay or sent back.

How many do you think are granted citizenship in ROC since 1974 .....2000....5000.....10000. ? ...And the north 160000 illegal settlers.
TRNC HAVE NO LEGAL PORTS ANY ONE WHO ENTERS IS CONSIDER ILLEGAL BY INTERNATIONAL LAW do you abide that law.

[Viewpoint]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

[B25]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

You're just full of shit. Hark the pirate trying to tell a sovereign nation how to run its business. Just who the F hell do you think you are?? A 2 bit illegal in an illegal speudo state trying to play hardman.

You just take the biscuit, what a plonker!

[quattro]

We will see when we check what you have been up to but if we find you have granted citizenship that we do not see fit you have to agree to send them back to where they came from just as some of the settlers will be sent back.

VP you dont understand that we dident give any excessive numbers of citizenships in ROC to get ROC citizenship you have to stay in cyprus for seven years ( and if you apply for it) ............. on the contrary "TRNC brought SETTLERS and gave citizenship's as a gift to increase the population to change the balance and that it was not for your(tcs) benefit.