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[denizaksulu]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

My dear Humanist;
Turkey has been in Cyprus since 1974, dont you think that EU know that the north is under Turkish occupation? They havent done anything since, what makes anyone think that they will succeed when the presidency goes to Cyprus? Whats new? Another tactic/strategy is needed.

No heart should matter to you [tCypriots] more than the gCypriot heart. Win it and you have a future! All other audiences, including the Turkeyish, are irrelevant at this point as you try to chart your way forward. Underestimate the significance of approaching gCypriots with common sense and free of prejudices and you will be losing your only chance to define your Cypriot future.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com


Ps. Preachy is who I am; nothing I can do to fix it I a afraid!
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Know who you talk to, otherwise skase. I respond as a Cypriot first of all.

My apology. No offense was intended. No need for us to lose our cool though.
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People who resort to 'generalisations' always have that effect on me. Otherwise I am Mr. Cool....

[antifon]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

My dear Humanist;
Turkey has been in Cyprus since 1974, dont you think that EU know that the north is under Turkish occupation? They havent done anything since, what makes anyone think that they will succeed when the presidency goes to Cyprus? Whats new? Another tactic/strategy is needed.

No heart should matter to you [tCypriots] more than the gCypriot heart. Win it and you have a future! All other audiences, including the Turkeyish, are irrelevant at this point as you try to chart your way forward. Underestimate the significance of approaching gCypriots with common sense and free of prejudices and you will be losing your only chance to define your Cypriot future.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com


Ps. Preachy is who I am; nothing I can do to fix it I a afraid!
.

Know who you talk to, otherwise skase. I respond as a Cypriot first of all.

My apology. No offense was intended. No need for us to lose our cool though.
.

People who resort to 'generalisations' always have that effect on me. Otherwise I am Mr. Cool....

There was another way to read my comment. It was a response to your plea for a new tactic/strategy. Let me spell it out:

Assuming that the urgency for action is more for tCypriots, then:

1] the only way for tCypriots to remove Turkey is to agree with gCypriots & to convince them of your sincerity

1A] A solution that includes [a] zones, the result of an illegal invasion and occupation AND/OR [b] "equality", veto rights, sovereign bases, foreign intervention rights, obscene guaranteed representation & a crippled independence, the result of bullying and an imbalance of power in 1960, cannot be perceived as sincere by gCypriots.

2] get the "representatives" of the majority tCypriot will [Eroglu is compromised & I feel Talat is also not the right guy] to strike a deal [behind closed doors & irrespective of the UN led discussions] with Christofias [on a 1960 plus changes basis would be the easiest thing]

3] announce to the world that you want Turkey out once you have a basic agreement with Christofias

Ps. I am assuming that you are a tCypriot, even though you are a Cypriot first!
Pss. You should never lose your cool!

http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

[denizaksulu]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

My dear Humanist;
Turkey has been in Cyprus since 1974, dont you think that EU know that the north is under Turkish occupation? They havent done anything since, what makes anyone think that they will succeed when the presidency goes to Cyprus? Whats new? Another tactic/strategy is needed.

No heart should matter to you [tCypriots] more than the gCypriot heart. Win it and you have a future! All other audiences, including the Turkeyish, are irrelevant at this point as you try to chart your way forward. Underestimate the significance of approaching gCypriots with common sense and free of prejudices and you will be losing your only chance to define your Cypriot future.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com


Ps. Preachy is who I am; nothing I can do to fix it I a afraid!
.

Know who you talk to, otherwise skase. I respond as a Cypriot first of all.

My apology. No offense was intended. No need for us to lose our cool though.
.

People who resort to 'generalisations' always have that effect on me. Otherwise I am Mr. Cool....

There was another way to read my comment. It was a response to your plea for a new tactic/strategy. Let me spell it out:

Assuming that the urgency for action is more for tCypriots, then:

1] the only way for tCypriots to remove Turkey is to agree with gCypriots & to convince them of your sincerity

1A] A solution that includes [a] zones, the result of an illegal invasion and occupation AND/OR [b] "equality", veto rights, sovereign bases, foreign intervention rights, obscene guaranteed representation & a crippled independence, the result of bullying and an imbalance of power in 1960, cannot be perceived as sincere by gCypriots.

2] get the "representatives" of the majority tCypriot will [Eroglu is compromised & I feel Talat is also not the right guy] to strike a deal [behind closed doors & irrespective of the UN led discussions] with Christofias [on a 1960 plus changes basis would be the easiest thing]

3] announce to the world that you want Turkey out once you have a basic agreement with Christofias

Ps. I am assuming that you are a tCypriot, even though you are a Cypriot first!
Pss. You should never lose your cool!

http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

Can you please do me a favour. Ask the rest of the GreekCyps to show that we can trust them and their motives. That will be a good start. Now I will read your post.

Dont be b***** patronising that is one big mistake made on the cf.

[quattro]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

My dear Humanist;
Turkey has been in Cyprus since 1974, dont you think that EU know that the north is under Turkish occupation? They havent done anything since, what makes anyone think that they will succeed when the presidency goes to Cyprus? Whats new? Another tactic/strategy is needed.

No heart should matter to you [tCypriots] more than the gCypriot heart. Win it and you have a future! All other audiences, including the Turkeyish, are irrelevant at this point as you try to chart your way forward. Underestimate the significance of approaching gCypriots with common sense and free of prejudices and you will be losing your only chance to define your Cypriot future.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com


Ps. Preachy is who I am; nothing I can do to fix it I a afraid!
.

Know who you talk to, otherwise skase. I respond as a Cypriot first of all.

My apology. No offense was intended. No need for us to lose our cool though.
.

People who resort to 'generalisations' always have that effect on me. Otherwise I am Mr. Cool....

There was another way to read my comment. It was a response to your plea for a new tactic/strategy. Let me spell it out:

Assuming that the urgency for action is more for tCypriots, then:

1] the only way for tCypriots to remove Turkey is to agree with gCypriots & to convince them of your sincerity

1A] A solution that includes [a] zones, the result of an illegal invasion and occupation AND/OR [b] "equality", veto rights, sovereign bases, foreign intervention rights, obscene guaranteed representation & a crippled independence, the result of bullying and an imbalance of power in 1960, cannot be perceived as sincere by gCypriots.

2] get the "representatives" of the majority tCypriot will [Eroglu is compromised & I feel Talat is also not the right guy] to strike a deal [behind closed doors & irrespective of the UN led discussions] with Christofias [on a 1960 plus changes basis would be the easiest thing]

3] announce to the world that you want Turkey out once you have a basic agreement with Christofias

Ps. I am assuming that you are a tCypriot, even though you are a Cypriot first!
Pss. You should never lose your cool!

http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

Can you please do me a favour. Ask the rest of the GreekCyps to show that we can trust them and their motives. That will be a good start. Now I will read your post.

Dont be b***** patronising that is one big mistake made on the cf.

Do I have your trust vote or is there something from me to do to earn it

[Viewpoint]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

So that means you cant do anything.

[antifon]

The GC's are a clever people recognised by the international community. We will not aim to to crush Turkey because we know we cannot do so. However, we will run a successful EU Presidency and we will bring to Europe the fact that Turkey is occupying not only a part of Cyprus but also a part of EU territory. We will maintain that a Country that occupies another territory has no place in the EU and that we encourage Turkey's bid for EU membership provided she follows protocols she signed and behaves like a peaceful nation.

My dear Humanist;
Turkey has been in Cyprus since 1974, dont you think that EU know that the north is under Turkish occupation? They havent done anything since, what makes anyone think that they will succeed when the presidency goes to Cyprus? Whats new? Another tactic/strategy is needed.

No heart should matter to you [tCypriots] more than the gCypriot heart. Win it and you have a future! All other audiences, including the Turkeyish, are irrelevant at this point as you try to chart your way forward. Underestimate the significance of approaching gCypriots with common sense and free of prejudices and you will be losing your only chance to define your Cypriot future.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com


Ps. Preachy is who I am; nothing I can do to fix it I a afraid!
.

Know who you talk to, otherwise skase. I respond as a Cypriot first of all.

My apology. No offense was intended. No need for us to lose our cool though.
.

People who resort to 'generalisations' always have that effect on me. Otherwise I am Mr. Cool....

There was another way to read my comment. It was a response to your plea for a new tactic/strategy. Let me spell it out:

Assuming that the urgency for action is more for tCypriots, then:

1] the only way for tCypriots to remove Turkey is to agree with gCypriots & to convince them of your sincerity

1A] A solution that includes [a] zones, the result of an illegal invasion and occupation AND/OR [b] "equality", veto rights, sovereign bases, foreign intervention rights, obscene guaranteed representation & a crippled independence, the result of bullying and an imbalance of power in 1960, cannot be perceived as sincere by gCypriots.

2] get the "representatives" of the majority tCypriot will [Eroglu is compromised & I feel Talat is also not the right guy] to strike a deal [behind closed doors & irrespective of the UN led discussions] with Christofias [on a 1960 plus changes basis would be the easiest thing]

3] announce to the world that you want Turkey out once you have a basic agreement with Christofias

Ps. I am assuming that you are a tCypriot, even though you are a Cypriot first!
Pss. You should never lose your cool!

http://antifon.blogspot.com
.

Can you please do me a favour. Ask the rest of the GreekCyps to show that we can trust them and their motives. That will be a good start. Now I will read your post.

Dont be b***** patronising that is one big mistake made on the cf.

It is always good advice to see beyond the messenger and her/his possible shortcomings and concentrate on the message.

I guess the above is b..... patronizing too?
B..... hell!!

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[Viewpoint]

One of the obligations that the Presidency has is setting the agenda for it's term.

First thing on the agenda will be Turkeys candidacy and I for one will be looking forward to Erdogan and davutoglu arriving in larnaca and holding private talks with the Presidency at the palace.

We will have to lead the talks off course on whether turkey' progress has been satisfactory.

They will send representatives, lets hope you do not attack them as per the basketball match.

[CBBB]

One of the obligations that the Presidency has is setting the agenda for it's term.

First thing on the agenda will be Turkeys candidacy and I for one will be looking forward to Erdogan and davutoglu arriving in larnaca and holding private talks with the Presidency at the palace.

We will have to lead the talks off course on whether turkey' progress has been satisfactory.

They will send representatives, lets hope you do not attack them as per the basketball match.

No, we will do the Turkish thing with visiting supporters, knife a few!

[Viewpoint]

VP ..... There is a lot more Cypriot blood running through my veins that some people give me credit for .... not that their approval or disapproval matters to my existence on this planet.

I am intelligent enough to recognise that militarily we do not stand a chance against a Turkish military force of millions probably. Threfore we cannot crush turkey. We will however oppose to further talks on EU membership because a we don't believe that an invading nation has a place in the EU
secondly we and the UN and international communities
recognise the illegal occupation of cyprus and therefore this behaviour cannot be rewarded
lastly the applicant Country (Turkey) is occupying Cyprus a State, that it is meant to have good relations, trade and societal commonalities.

Turkey can suspend her EU talks until after the GCs leave the presidency, arent you GCs doing this jointly with another state?

[Viewpoint]

Just think, we will have all the EU bigwigs here to see the giant flags the Turks taunt the EU with!

That is a good point.

I wonder what the international leadership would think for something as racist and vindictive such an action is looked at by the EU States and the implications of having a major predetor like Turkey in the EU.

Surely it makes sense that NO EU State should have the right to infringe on others human rights and take illegal occupation of a sovereign nation which cyprus is one.

Do you want us to put in brighter lights into the flag or maybe coloured ones. Apparently you can see the flag as planes take off from Larnaca airport.