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[antifon]

anti you are a moron.

I am different than all of you, therefore you must be right!
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[Viewpoint]

anti you are a moron.

I am different than all of you, therefore you must be right!
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Thank you. You are not only a moron but should go see professional help.

[mem101]

Never again 1960 "equality"
1974 division will end, whether you like or not
You are but a small minority. You are not equals (more like 90-10 nowadays)
We will grant you all the rights Turkey can afford her Kurds.
We, gCypriots, will continue define the future of Cyprus, despite you.
We will undo the damage caused in the last 40 years & restore things
We will respect everyone's human rights
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*1960 was a long time ago. The majority wish to move forwards, not backwards, so repeating "1960 - never again" all the time is a waste of time.

*1974 division will end, I agree completely. When and under what circumstances is difficult to say. I hope it is when we come to a mutual agreement which provides democratic rights for all Cypriots, and I hope it is sooner rather than later. I know I don't speak for all TCs here, but that's because I am an individual, not a race or community.

*We are equals, each and every one of us. Not every TC has the same voice just as not every GC has the same voice. Each and every one of us is an individual with an equal say.

*Turkey deprives Kurds of certain rights because that is the way the country was founded. The founder wanted/had to unite the people under one banner. It's now very difficult for Turkey to change some of its policies on this for a number of reasons. But we are talking about Cyprus, not Turkey. We are not Turks or Kurds, we are Cypriots. Why should we reunite the Cypriot people in the same flawed manner as another nation did almost a hundred years ago without learning anything from their mistakes?

*GCs will not define the future of Cyprus despite the TCs. This comment only leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of TCs and serves to alienate them from you. That's you personally. TCs and GCs should be working together to shape the future of Cyprus - as Cypriots, not as Turks and Greeks.

*Your last two points are good although the pronoun "we" should be taken to mean "Cypriots," not "Greek Cypriots."

[antifon]

anti you are a moron.

I am different than all of you, therefore you must be right!
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Thank you. You are not only a moron but should go see professional help.

I agree. Acknowledging the problem they say is 50% of the battle.
Care to recommend your shrink?
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[mem101]

Thank you for going out on a limb. I am afraid I will be disappointing you.

I know Cyprus extremely well. I spent time to understand Turkey. In my younger days I also met many tCypriots at various bi-communal events. My "wisdom" is the culminating synthesis of all these experiences and knowledge and I am more stubborn than any Karpaz donkey has ever been in knowing that I am right for the way forward. As such, I consider certain things not part of a CF negotiation.

I have conditions for engaging because I value my time & winning friends, either g's or t's, is not truly, an objective of mine, rather a welcome byproduct if it happens. Discussing for the sake of discussion is pointless, certainly the case at the UN, and we should not make it the case here. Best stick with the one liners, often successful, which, for me take the pressure off the day and the numerous business e-mails and telephone calls I make on a daily basis.


These are my conditions:

First, the only reason we even speak of a BBF is because of an unwarranted war that brought division. It is not acceptable as a basis. I am arrogant enough to suggest that on this point I represent better the will of gCypriots than our politicians who are justifiably bound by realities. The very idea that we have to agree a proposed solution separately is disgusting.

Second, 1963 was a set of forward looking ideas which would safeguard the interests of the tCypriot Community, while ensuring that the smooth functioning and development of the country would neither be prejudiced or thwarted. We must agree to revisit these ideas, adopt their spirit, and bring them up to EU-date. I take it for granted that we agree the 1960 "rights" for the tCypriots were ludicrous and must be severely trimmed. We are not equal at the community level, other than at the individual level, though I recognize that for a limited number of well defined matters the question of veto must exist.

These are my conditions for moderating my verbal, often uncontrolled, aggressiveness, and even then my arrogant style will pop up when least expected. Engaging knowing ex ante that you consider 1960 EQUALITY & 1974 DIVISION enshrined & the big-bang of your negotiating position is all I need to know to deny your kind offer/suggestion to proceed in non aggressive ways. Let me at least have some fun!

Else I really have nothing to say to you & it is not personal. I will respond to your posts but my audience won't be you & my objective will be nothing more but to make a dull or stressful day slightly better, while at the same time reminding fellow tCypriots how we feel. The regular gCypriot Joe.

I have no desire in making you feel better, or trust me more. I have many who do & see no reason why I should try harder with you. This moaning of yours just has to stop. It has been 50 years already! If you want to complain I can find out and suggest psychologists who can help you overcome events which transpired in the early 60s, when as we are recently finding out more and more the Turkeyish/tCypriot role was more conniving and duplicitous than the gCypriots' ever was.

Our mission should be to move forward as Cypriots, and rid ourselves of Turkey to the same extend as we have rid ourselves of Greece. Even better to fire all the guarantors and sue them for a job horribly done. In fact, I would personally like to see no Greek or Turkish flag at any public institution. Individuals can wave them to death.

However, since I doubt any tCypriot can yet see eye to eye with me on the above I shall press on this lonely path until the tsunami hits.
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Just read this. You are indeed arrogant. Especially for someone who is only 19 and probably also because you are 19. Not meant as an offense, just my take on things.

[DTA]

Thank you for going out on a limb. I am afraid I will be disappointing you.

I know Cyprus extremely well. I spent time to understand Turkey. In my younger days I also met many tCypriots at various bi-communal events. My "wisdom" is the culminating synthesis of all these experiences and knowledge and I am more stubborn than any Karpaz donkey has ever been in knowing that I am right for the way forward. As such, I consider certain things not part of a CF negotiation.

I have conditions for engaging because I value my time & winning friends, either g's or t's, is not truly, an objective of mine, rather a welcome byproduct if it happens. Discussing for the sake of discussion is pointless, certainly the case at the UN, and we should not make it the case here. Best stick with the one liners, often successful, which, for me take the pressure off the day and the numerous business e-mails and telephone calls I make on a daily basis.


These are my conditions:

First, the only reason we even speak of a BBF is because of an unwarranted war that brought division. It is not acceptable as a basis. I am arrogant enough to suggest that on this point I represent better the will of gCypriots than our politicians who are justifiably bound by realities. The very idea that we have to agree a proposed solution separately is disgusting.

Second, 1963 was a set of forward looking ideas which would safeguard the interests of the tCypriot Community, while ensuring that the smooth functioning and development of the country would neither be prejudiced or thwarted. We must agree to revisit these ideas, adopt their spirit, and bring them up to EU-date. I take it for granted that we agree the 1960 "rights" for the tCypriots were ludicrous and must be severely trimmed. We are not equal at the community level, other than at the individual level, though I recognize that for a limited number of well defined matters the question of veto must exist.

These are my conditions for moderating my verbal, often uncontrolled, aggressiveness, and even then my arrogant style will pop up when least expected. Engaging knowing ex ante that you consider 1960 EQUALITY & 1974 DIVISION enshrined & the big-bang of your negotiating position is all I need to know to deny your kind offer/suggestion to proceed in non aggressive ways. Let me at least have some fun!

Else I really have nothing to say to you & it is not personal. I will respond to your posts but my audience won't be you & my objective will be nothing more but to make a dull or stressful day slightly better, while at the same time reminding fellow tCypriots how we feel. The regular gCypriot Joe.

I have no desire in making you feel better, or trust me more. I have many who do & see no reason why I should try harder with you. This moaning of yours just has to stop. It has been 50 years already! If you want to complain I can find out and suggest psychologists who can help you overcome events which transpired in the early 60s, when as we are recently finding out more and more the Turkeyish/tCypriot role was more conniving and duplicitous than the gCypriots' ever was.

Our mission should be to move forward as Cypriots, and rid ourselves of Turkey to the same extend as we have rid ourselves of Greece. Even better to fire all the guarantors and sue them for a job horribly done. In fact, I would personally like to see no Greek or Turkish flag at any public institution. Individuals can wave them to death.

However, since I doubt any tCypriot can yet see eye to eye with me on the above I shall press on this lonely path until the tsunami hits.
.

Just read this. You are indeed arrogant. Especially for someone who is only 19 and probably also because you are 19. Not meant as an offense, just my take on things.

Unfortunately I think is more than just arrogance.

[antifon]

Never again 1960 "equality"
1974 division will end, whether you like or not
You are but a small minority. You are not equals (more like 90-10 nowadays)
We will grant you all the rights Turkey can afford her Kurds.
We, gCypriots, will continue define the future of Cyprus, despite you.
We will undo the damage caused in the last 40 years & restore things
We will respect everyone's human rights
.

*1960 was a long time ago. The majority wish to move forwards, not backwards, so repeating "1960 - never again" all the time is a waste of time.

You must have seen my other post already

*1974 division will end, I agree completely. When and under what circumstances is difficult to say. I hope it is when we come to a mutual agreement which provides democratic rights for all Cypriots, and I hope it is sooner rather than later. I know I don't speak for all TCs here, but that's because I am an individual, not a race or community.

The people who speak for you think differently. They represent the people who would have invented you.

*We are equals, each and every one of us. Not every TC has the same voice just as not every GC has the same voice. Each and every one of us is an individual with an equal say.

We all have the same voice at the individual level. The reason we have a problem is because we cannot agree what happens at the community level. Your last two statements sound conflicting. the last one I agree with.

*Turkey deprives Kurds of certain rights because that is the way the country was founded. The founder wanted/had to unite the people under one banner. It's now very difficult for Turkey to change some of its policies on this for a number of reasons. But we are talking about Cyprus, not Turkey. We are not Turks or Kurds, we are Cypriots. Why should we reunite the Cypriot people in the same flawed manner as another nation did almost a hundred years ago without learning anything from their mistakes?

Strongly disagree. Check out my blog. Turkey assumes the moral high ground in Cyprus. What principles she applies at home are relevant. Unless we can rid of her completely before we sit down to discuss.

*GCs will not define the future of Cyprus despite the TCs. This comment only leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of TCs and serves to alienate them from you. That's you personally. TCs and GCs should be working together to shape the future of Cyprus - as Cypriots, not as Turks and Greeks.

I understand that. See other post. Let me repeat: the very idea that tCypriots must approve separately sends chills down my spine, and my spine if very representative of gCypriot spines

*Your last two points are good although the pronoun "we" should be taken to mean "Cypriots," not "Greek Cypriots."

Obviously

I answered though no doubt I have "lost" you with my other post. Oh well, back to having fun.
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[antifon]

Thank you for going out on a limb. I am afraid I will be disappointing you.

I know Cyprus extremely well. I spent time to understand Turkey. In my younger days I also met many tCypriots at various bi-communal events. My "wisdom" is the culminating synthesis of all these experiences and knowledge and I am more stubborn than any Karpaz donkey has ever been in knowing that I am right for the way forward. As such, I consider certain things not part of a CF negotiation.

I have conditions for engaging because I value my time & winning friends, either g's or t's, is not truly, an objective of mine, rather a welcome byproduct if it happens. Discussing for the sake of discussion is pointless, certainly the case at the UN, and we should not make it the case here. Best stick with the one liners, often successful, which, for me take the pressure off the day and the numerous business e-mails and telephone calls I make on a daily basis.


These are my conditions:

First, the only reason we even speak of a BBF is because of an unwarranted war that brought division. It is not acceptable as a basis. I am arrogant enough to suggest that on this point I represent better the will of gCypriots than our politicians who are justifiably bound by realities. The very idea that we have to agree a proposed solution separately is disgusting.

Second, 1963 was a set of forward looking ideas which would safeguard the interests of the tCypriot Community, while ensuring that the smooth functioning and development of the country would neither be prejudiced or thwarted. We must agree to revisit these ideas, adopt their spirit, and bring them up to EU-date. I take it for granted that we agree the 1960 "rights" for the tCypriots were ludicrous and must be severely trimmed. We are not equal at the community level, other than at the individual level, though I recognize that for a limited number of well defined matters the question of veto must exist.

These are my conditions for moderating my verbal, often uncontrolled, aggressiveness, and even then my arrogant style will pop up when least expected. Engaging knowing ex ante that you consider 1960 EQUALITY & 1974 DIVISION enshrined & the big-bang of your negotiating position is all I need to know to deny your kind offer/suggestion to proceed in non aggressive ways. Let me at least have some fun!

Else I really have nothing to say to you & it is not personal. I will respond to your posts but my audience won't be you & my objective will be nothing more but to make a dull or stressful day slightly better, while at the same time reminding fellow tCypriots how we feel. The regular gCypriot Joe.

I have no desire in making you feel better, or trust me more. I have many who do & see no reason why I should try harder with you. This moaning of yours just has to stop. It has been 50 years already! If you want to complain I can find out and suggest psychologists who can help you overcome events which transpired in the early 60s, when as we are recently finding out more and more the Turkeyish/tCypriot role was more conniving and duplicitous than the gCypriots' ever was.

Our mission should be to move forward as Cypriots, and rid ourselves of Turkey to the same extend as we have rid ourselves of Greece. Even better to fire all the guarantors and sue them for a job horribly done. In fact, I would personally like to see no Greek or Turkish flag at any public institution. Individuals can wave them to death.

However, since I doubt any tCypriot can yet see eye to eye with me on the above I shall press on this lonely path until the tsunami hits.
.

Just read this. You are indeed arrogant. Especially for someone who is only 19 and probably also because you are 19. Not meant as an offense, just my take on things.

At least I predicted right in my last post to you!
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[Viewpoint]

anti you are a moron.

I am different than all of you, therefore you must be right!
.

Thank you. You are not only a moron but should go see professional help.

I agree. Acknowledging the problem they say is 50% of the battle.
Care to recommend your shrink?
.

I dont use one but I know a few but im sure they would institutionalize you immediately.

[wallace]

Can you ever post without implied or direct military threats, or the use of military jargon? I wonder why that is.

We are bright enough to know we cannot defeat you militarily. We are also bright enough to appreciate that your military advantage is more of a liability in EU Cyprus, growing with every passing day.

Let me remind you the words of your own Turkish Foreign Ministry [I trust you permit me calling him yours as I do agree the annexation is imminent; I personally look forward to it with great anticipation] Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu in a meeting with the State Department's Undersecretary William Burns on February 18, 2010:

“membership makes them [Cyprus Republic] invulnerable”

Indeed, for anyone who understands International Relations 101 material!


But what's even more incomprehensible to you is that we would not wish to fight you even if we were superior militarily.

We have a task at hand. To regain what is ours, by history and by law. And to give back what is not. More importantly to set up a system that will allow all Cypriots to move on on a fair and European basis.

We will use legal, financial and political means to achieve our goal, backed by our accumulated wisdom in negotiations and understanding where you come from and how you think. Also, equipped with knowledge about the home ground of our enemy, Turkey, and the double standards she uses to promote her "strategic interests" in Cyprus and her Turkish, narrowly speaking, interests at home.

All the above, along with support of our allies in the EU and the region, and let me add the some old-fashioned common sense, should be enough to:

- deny Turkey the right to assume the moral high ground
- get the application of UN resolutions in Cyprus the soonest possible
- build trust with those tCypriots willing to build alongside us
- undo the damage of 1974 in a gradual and sensitive manner
- define the structure of the RoC v2.0 [a 1963 adjusted for the EU reality]
- focus our attention on challenges any normal society faces
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This is the best post you've written so far. Particularly the part about building trust with TCs. Do you not think this will be a lot easier to achieve with a much better final result, if we work on this aspect rather than being hostile and aggressive in our approaches?

Thank you for going out on a limb. I am afraid I will be disappointing you.

I know Cyprus extremely well. I spent time to understand Turkey. In my younger days I also met many tCypriots at various bi-communal events. My "wisdom" is the culminating synthesis of all these experiences and knowledge and I am more stubborn than any Karpaz donkey has ever been in knowing that I am right for the way forward. As such, I consider certain things not part of a CF negotiation.

I have conditions for engaging because I value my time & winning friends, either g's or t's, is not truly, an objective of mine, rather a welcome byproduct if it happens. Discussing for the sake of discussion is pointless, certainly the case at the UN, and we should not make it the case here. Best stick with the one liners, often successful, which, for me take the pressure off the day and the numerous business e-mails and telephone calls I make on a daily basis.


These are my conditions:

First, the only reason we even speak of a BBF is because of an unwarranted war that brought division. It is not acceptable as a basis. I am arrogant enough to suggest that on this point I represent better the will of gCypriots than our politicians who are justifiably bound by realities. The very idea that we have to agree a proposed solution separately is disgusting.

Second, 1963 was a set of forward looking ideas which would safeguard the interests of the tCypriot Community, while ensuring that the smooth functioning and development of the country would neither be prejudiced or thwarted. We must agree to revisit these ideas, adopt their spirit, and bring them up to EU-date. I take it for granted that we agree the 1960 "rights" for the tCypriots were ludicrous and must be severely trimmed. We are not equal at the community level, other than at the individual level, though I recognize that for a limited number of well defined matters the question of veto must exist.

These are my conditions for moderating my verbal, often uncontrolled, aggressiveness, and even then my arrogant style will pop up when least expected. Engaging knowing ex ante that you consider 1960 EQUALITY & 1974 DIVISION enshrined & the big-bang of your negotiating position is all I need to know to deny your kind offer/suggestion to proceed in non aggressive ways. Let me at least have some fun!

Else I really have nothing to say to you & it is not personal. I will respond to your posts but my audience won't be you & my objective will be nothing more but to make a dull or stressful day slightly better, while at the same time reminding fellow tCypriots how we feel. The regular gCypriot Joe.

I have no desire in making you feel better, or trust me more. I have many who do & see no reason why I should try harder with you. This moaning of yours just has to stop. It has been 50 years already! If you want to complain I can find out and suggest psychologists who can help you overcome events which transpired in the early 60s, when as we are recently finding out more and more the Turkeyish/tCypriot role was more conniving and duplicitous than the gCypriots' ever was.

Our mission should be to move forward as Cypriots, and rid ourselves of Turkey to the same extend as we have rid ourselves of Greece. Even better to fire all the guarantors and sue them for a job horribly done. In fact, I would personally like to see no Greek or Turkish flag at any public institution. Individuals can wave them to death.

However, since I doubt any tCypriot can yet see eye to eye with me on the above I shall press on this lonely path until the tsunami hits.
.

Lonely??? I'm right beside you