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[Mapko]

antifon...The North will never agree to the 1963 agreements because the Turk government is too powerful and have the final say. They are the 'neck' and the North is the 'head'. The neck will turn the head any which way it wants. Makarios suggested amendments to the Constitution, to try and resolve any issues, but, as soon as the Turk government said no to these amendments, the Turk Vice-President said the amendments were unacceptable. This says to me that the Turks wanted more power than they had (proportional representation?), they always wanted a divided country and that they were just a puppet government looking to Turkey to decide what to do next. The North were the ones to declare that the Republic of Cyprus ceased to exist and they were the ones who withdrew from the government. Makarios was the one who refused all talk of a divided Cyprus. The Turks have got what they wanted.

[antifon]

antifon...The North will never agree to the 1963 agreements because the Turk government is too powerful and have the final say. They are the 'neck' and the North is the 'head'. The neck will turn the head any which way it wants. Makarios suggested amendments to the Constitution, to try and resolve any issues, but, as soon as the Turk government said no to these amendments, the Turk Vice-President said the amendments were unacceptable. This says to me that the Turks wanted more power than they had (proportional representation?), they always wanted a divided country and that they were just a puppet government looking to Turkey to decide what to do next. The North were the ones to declare that the Republic of Cyprus ceased to exist and they were the ones who withdrew from the government. Makarios was the one who refused all talk of a divided Cyprus. The Turks have got what they wanted.

Have they? I beg to differ.
More importantly who is 'they'?

There is a political tsunami that is about to hit the illegally occupied north part of Cyprus. The warning system failed, if ever it was installed. The tCypriot "world" will be shattered and the cause will be non other than the Turkish state's revelations. Liberating truths for the Turks. Devastating really for the tCypriot ill-defined struggle.

If only tCypriots had more brains they could influence the terms!
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html

I am certain of one thing: THEY WILL BE APOLOGIZING TO US SOON.
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[Mapko]

antifon...The Turks wanted a divided Cyprus but Makarios did everything he could to try and keep a unified island. The Turks withdrew from the Cypriot government and that was the start of the end for Cyprus. This is the situation Turkey, Britain and the USA wanted - a divided island with bases over it (Cyprus would not agree to American forces bases but Turkey, for the backing of the invasion, allowed this).

I really can't see anything happening in Cyprus. Who will stand up to the Turk government? The Greek Cypriots have made extremely good lives for themselves and should look to what happened in other parts of the world before quickly agreeing to a unified island. West Germany had a great economy - one of the strongest - but when they unified with East Germany, it took them a couple of decades to get back to anywhere near where they were before.

[antifon]

antifon...The Turks wanted a divided Cyprus but Makarios did everything he could to try and keep a unified island. The Turks withdrew from the Cypriot government and that was the start of the end for Cyprus. This is the situation Turkey, Britain and the USA wanted - a divided island with bases over it (Cyprus would not agree to American forces bases but Turkey, for the backing of the invasion, allowed this).

I really can't see anything happening in Cyprus. Who will stand up to the Turk government? The Greek Cypriots have made extremely good lives for themselves and should look to what happened in other parts of the world before quickly agreeing to a unified island. West Germany had a great economy - one of the strongest - but when they unified with East Germany, it took them a couple of decades to get back to anywhere near where they were before.

The answer to your question is: the Turks will!

Reintegration will happen on our terms, it will be gradual & it will benefit all Cypriots' legitimate interests, including tCypriots'.

It tCypriots had a small dose of common sense & could rise above the fascistic poo-poo they live under for decades, they could help speed up the process. Regardless though, the process has been set in motion and is as irreversible as nuclear meltdown is.

If I may offer a piece of advice:
Have faith. We are both smart and strong enough to solve the Cyprus issue on our terms, i.e. Cypriots' terms.

I refer you to my David-Goliath parable:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/dav ... idged.html
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[antifon]

Antifon even if turkey left tomorrow without a compromise and an agreement to a bbf then you would still have to take the north by force.

So tell me how you will convince the tcs to say yes to the 63 agreements?

[12:34]There may be a time to say fuck it... but moving on, well that depends on what that means to you? if it means leaving cyprus ... no never. you will have to kill us all first

Force. Kill.

These are your exaggerated fears fueled by those who would have invented you had you not existed.

Your vocabulary. Influenced by your daily reality. Your mother-nation's modus operandi.

Here is a link of some of the Ergenekon funded sites which may have shaped your perception of things:
http://erkansaka.net/archives/1127

We, unlike you, have been living in democracy, an authentic democracy, and freedom, authentic freedom, for decades.

Our military have more of a civilian thinking than your civilians. Such is the tragedy of your situation. That is why you cannot solve the conundrum. As a result we must. We will. For Cyprus. And unlike you, we will be fair.

But this time around we will be fair to every Cypriot. And the vast majority are not tCypriots.
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[DTA]

So you will not force us? Or kill us, good for you so how do expect to persuade us?

[kurupetos]

So you will not force us? Or kill us, good for you so how do expect to persuade us?

Persuade you!?

[antifon]

So you will not force us? Or kill us, good for you so how do expect to persuade us?

The above response by you sums up the MAGNIFICENT UNIQUENESS of Turkish thinking!

Let me thank you again for applying to join Europe. As a result the representatives of the European peoples too understand you well; so well in fact, that it would have taken us gCypriots centuries to convince them of who you really are and how you really think. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, and I believe I speak on behalf of many.

Last, a piece of advice if I may: you may want to consider to change your minds every now and then in order to keep them clean.
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[DTA]

So you will not force us? Or kill us, good for you so how do expect to persuade us?

Persuade you!?

well if we are not go to war and you will not force us, what are you and your friend antifon suggesting?