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[Piratis]

The little fascist that he/she is doesnt even know that one of the fundamental human rights is the right to self-determination

Instead of trying to teach others better go get some education yourself because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Self-determination is not a human right. Self-determination is a right for nations. Not an individual human right, and not a minority right.

The fascists are those who invade and oppress us in order to stop us from having our freedom and self-determination in our island.

[Viewpoint]

The little fascist that he/she is doesnt even know that one of the fundamental human rights is the right to self-determination

Instead of trying to teach others better go get some education yourself because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Self-determination is not a human right. Self-determination is a right for nations. Not an individual human right, and not a minority right.

The fascists are those who invade and oppress us in order to stop us from having our freedom and self-determination in our island.

You have no right to place a large portion of the population in danger in the process.

[antifon]

Antifon, you continue to quote one person's opinion of what they call an insight into the "Turkish Psyche." This person's view does have a certain level of credibility, but it does not provide any conclusive proof or formula for understanding Turkey or Turkish culture. The term "Turkish Psyche" is inaccurate, not least because pigeon-holing the psyche of roughly 70 million people into one simple article with just a few paragraphs is somewhat tedious, unreliable and prejudiced, but also because the insights given here are actually into the social interactions of a people of a certain region of the world. If you have travelled a little, you will understand what I mean. What is socially acceptable, expected, taboo, frowned upon, etc differs from region to region (the differences are extreme if you compare, say, Japan and Italy, relatively minor, although still nonetheless present and sometimes embarrassingly apparent, if you compare the UK and the USA).

Truth and logic do not belong to the west in the way your quotation implies. Truth and logic belong to the scientific method and to anyone who understands it and embraces it bravely without fear of where it may lead. There are many people in the west, indeed in the whole world, who are extremely illogical.

Following from that, it's worth noting that you yourself seem not to have a basic understanding of truth, logic and the scientific method. You read one thing which fits with your idea and you hold on to it as though your life depended on it; irrationally believing that if you yell "orange!" at a blade of grass enough times, and loud enough, then it will suddenly change colour.

Pursuing an understanding of Turkey, its people, politics and social systems (from here on referred to as "Turkish culture") is a complex task. For a theory to have credidibility it must be repeatable, it must explain past discrepencies, and it must make predictions (this is going by the book but in reality our topic is beyond our current ability to understand in so full a manner). Here is a very simple way to begin going about formulating fair theories about Turkish culture. Many westerners live in and have lived in Turkey. Data must be collected from as many people as possible in a controlled manner. Tests should be performed on the subjects themselves and data collected in this manner. Comparison data should also be collected from other countries in the region such as Greece, Cyprus, etc. Peer reviewed papers should be written and the work should be built upon. Experience of living in Turkey is almost a pre-requisite for anyone undertaking such projects.

I have gone into this much detail for a couple of reasons. Firstly, because I want to demonstrate your lack of understanding of what you call "western logic." Secondly, because I want to make a point that arises from looking at this logically - the point of collecting comparison data. I would gamble that Turkish culture doesn't differ from Greek or Cypriot culture as drastically as you might think. But I would never make an assumption without evidence. And that is a fundamental difference between us. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

The form of your answer proves that you are/think like a Turk. Just blend a bunch of intelligent sounding bits in a seemingly coherent manner and you win your audience with your intelligence. What utter Turkish BULLSHIT! I have been following Turkish opinions in the Turkish press long enough to spot TURKISH BULLSHIT from across the globe.

Had you bothered to read the article you would have realized that the article's title was in fact "Smile and Smile: Turkey's Feel-Good Foreign Policy"; the title "Insights into the Turkish psyche" was simply my choice for the related post on my blog, where I provide a link to the original WORLD AFFAIRS ARTICLE, an article written by an American political writer living in Turkey for many years alarmed by the "mild" Islamic turn Turkey is taking, as almost every western nation is nowadays.

See both links here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/ins ... syche.html
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... -2010.html

For someone who then goes on to LECTURE me on theories, tests, subjects, and data collection methods without having even read the article, what can I say, you COME ACROSS LIKE THE PERFECT TURKISH PROPAGANDIST.

Such crap does not fly with me. Try elsewhere.


You people are as foreign to us as nuclear power is to wind power. You live under fascism, oscillating between military fascism and religious fascism, & we live under democracy.

Of course you can write another page or two educating me about the idiosyncracies, subtleties and complexities of Turkish culture and democracy. Spare me the agony. Not interested. Solve your gigantic problems first. And do that after you GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

Just read what Europe says about Turkey:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/201 ... opean.html

I wonder what scientific method they used.
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[mem101]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

[DTA]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

Antifon you just got arse handed to you again, its becoming a habit with you.

What did boombers say about flicking the zip... now that was funny.

[boomerang]

DTA...Our friends have a failsafe plan to get Turkey out of Cyprus...Piratis spelled it out some time ago...Turkey will be shut out of the EU,she will turn to embrace the Islamic nations to the east...This will upset the USA and Israel. Usa and Israel will encourage toe Kurds to uprise...Turkey will be divided...When she is at her weakest Israel and USA will attack Turkey and invade Anatolia...Hence Cyprus too will be liberated...They have a little problem,in that Turkey is a member of NATO and any attack on Turkey is considered an attack on NATO itself...But they are working on it...

I think antifon has just came up with plan B...Call the Turks and TCs all the names under the sun...Eventually they will get sick of hearing the insults and get up and leave...

thats not how is gonna happen, douchie...

try and follow here again knowing full well the space between your ears is still under construction...

you can attribute turkey's story the last 8 years in the eu becoming a service economy...the eu only industry is exporting is technology...

the eu is running around the globe trying to have custom unions with other countris, especially china where the eu would live to modernize the chinese factories...spelling big bucks for the EU...

the eu already has a custom union with sth korea much to the whining of turkey...more will follow, unless you think the eu owes anything to turkey...turkey for the eu is supply of labour, today, but tomorrow will be a different story...capitalism at it's best...here today, gone tomorrow...

so as soon as the eu signs a custom union with china it's all over...china and the eu will sign a trade agreement as both have heaps to gain...turkey will lose big time...she will remain in the eu background

so in short turkey needs to join the eu...but she needs to understand she is joining the eu and not the eu joining turkey...

Lets talk about nato...the turks have been asked to fork another $4 billion dollars for the JSF35, new fighter plane with an expectation of a 100 plane PO...but now they have been told no source codes...
even though in NATO turkey is not trusted...so they are gonna get a dudder of a plane...coz the us/nato doesn't trust turkey...
another recent example is the new military satellite...israel won't give the italian company that won the tender the lenses...coz israel doesn't trust turkey...not only they don't trust turkey they are lobbying the US to make law the resolution of the pictures...

so in short, turkey carry on like you are doing and a nato size 12 boot will firmly be placed up your ass in no time...the US has an agenda, and no turkey is gonna dictate anything, you would do well to remember this...the UK found out the hard way...

2 factors are gonna shape turkey in the next generation...
1...the kurds will outbreed the turks and what you see today will look like a picnic in 20 years...
2...stay outside the eu and again turkey will be back to stagnation...and alone

if you think the an arab union is gonna help turkey...go for it...but as everyone knows the arab nations that count are in the US back pocket...

there will be no war, but on the token a split up is not really inconceivable...

[antifon]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

If you read it then you have a very short memory span. I can only wonder which institution you represent.

As far as being a scientist, well, that is not such a great achievement nowadays, is it? We all know of scientists who reason things kinda like you do and then learn how to get planes off the ground without minding to learn the landing procedures.

Academic? Now that's something to be admired. If you are indeed an academic then, and putting aside for a moment that you have addressed none of my points, why didn't you bother to read the EU's report I sent you & then follow your scientific method to deduce whether the fascism that exists in Turkey is of a light nature or not.

Or simply read the Turkish press on any given day. The range of topics covered, despite the serious press control, is enough to convince anyone, not simply academics, that the country that assumes the moral high ground in Cyprus, an insult really, is permeated by fascistic ideology.

Or why don't you venture to make a comparative analysis between the tCypriot and Kurdish misfortunes. Start by academically, as well as personally, answering the following:

DO YOU SUPPORT the Kurds of Turkey, in their struggle to secure an identical solution in Turkey to the one you wish to see in Cyprus [1960/1963[?]/77-79/2004]? DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO A REFERENDUM? DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT FOR THEIR LANGUAGE TO BE AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF TURKEY? Please provide brief answers to these simple questions, after you have scientifically and academically analyzed the situation.

I am curious how this one will be avoided.


And when you are all done, please answer me this:
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO COME TO CYPRUS AND CAUSE SUCH MISERY?

Best stay in London & prepare to host more. The fascism we disagree on will be pushing more over to your island. A blessing perhaps for the island with the millennia of Hellenic history that has suffered in the last 60 years because of moronic leaders of a small minority which for centuries lived well, far better than the tens of millions in Turkey, alongside their Cypriot hosts, but instead of gratitude, they open the door to FASCISM into our home. And for 40 years they live comfortably in out homes without any shame, calling Keryneia, Lapithos, Karpasia, Morphou their own because a war they started was won by them. Some achievement! How fascistic is that? How Turkish is that? This should suffice as the evidence you are looking for Mr. Acedemic/Scientist.

But why don't you read the article again? Perhaps you will find more data there.

As far as not being Turkish, well, perhaps sometime in the 17th century you weren't. But given that language and religion are the main media of culture, and the fascism that has existed in Turkey the last 90 years, you are without even realizing it more Turks that you think. And this can't be good.

Is it time for you to pray?
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[antifon]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

Antifon you just got arse handed to you again, its becoming a habit with you.

What did boombers say about flicking the zip... now that was funny.

DTA, are you a child or something? Is big daddy from London "fighting" the fights you can't. Or Barcelona just scored?

I simply hope you have the sense to foresee what's coming your way. And I won't have, either personally or as community, anything to do with it.

As far as asking me for help, well yes, but on my terms for our common good. Cause you don't know really what's good for you. And never again will we allow a hypocritical, ungrateful, weak, compass less minority, at the mercy of FASCISTIC TURKEY, have any say in defining the future of our country.

YOU ARE A MINORITY, a very small one, AND BEST LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT FACT. Else, I know of an academic/ scientist in London who will be more than happy to accommodate you in London.

Last, let me thank you for electing Eroglu. I know you did it with a lot of help from your masters. He is the best that you have done for our country ever.
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[DTA]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

Antifon you just got arse handed to you again, its becoming a habit with you.

What did boombers say about flicking the zip... now that was funny.

DTA, are you a child or something? Is big daddy from London "fighting" the fights you can't. Or Barcelona just scored?

I have proved comprehensively that you not only very little about Turkish Kurdish relations a subject that refer constantly to, but also that your knowledge of the cyprus problem is also lacking in several areas. Now I am just having some fun.

I simply hope you have the sense to foresee what's coming your way. And I won't have, either personally or as community, anything to do with it.

A BBF or the status quo, that is all that is coming our way if you cant see this then I have given you too much credit - and I have not given you much.

As far as asking me for help, well yes, but on my terms for our common good. Cause you don't know really what's good for you. And never again will we allow a hypocritical, ungrateful, weak, compass less minority, at the mercy of FASCISTIC TURKEY, have any say in defining the future of our country.

who asked for your help? certainly not me. please point this out.

YOU ARE A MINORITY, a very small one, AND BEST LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT FACT. Else, I know of an academic/ scientist in London who will be more than happy to accommodate you in London.

I already have property in london thanks.

Last, let me thank you for electing Eroglu. I know you did it with a lot of help from your masters. He is the best that you have done for our country ever.

Again you show your lack of knowledge, Turkey openly supported Talat, in fact there was a campaign poster saying that a vote for Talat makes me feel closer to Turkey (or words to that affect).

In fact there is evidence if you care to look that Eroglu has been repeatedly reined in by Turkey - again I suggest you stop writing and talking so much and do some more reading and learning, before you once again prove yourself to be ....

As a footnote, there are people on this forum that profess views even worse than yours but the thing that gets me about you, is that when you came to this forum you pretended to be about debate and dialogue. But now you just repeatedly spout racist shit and have shown your true face... and I hate two faced people.

[antifon]

Actually, I did read the article albeit a few days ago. Actually, it being your own phrase supports my argument that you are the illogical and irrational one here. You are so blinded by hate and fascism you fail to see that you are the pot calling the kettle black.

I am Cypriot by descent, British by birth, scientist by nature and academic background. Which part of that reads "Turkish propogandist?"

Antifon you just got arse handed to you again, its becoming a habit with you.

What did boombers say about flicking the zip... now that was funny.

DTA, are you a child or something? Is big daddy from London "fighting" the fights you can't. Or Barcelona just scored?

I have proved comprehensively that you not only very little about Turkish Kurdish relations a subject that refer constantly to, but also that your knowledge of the cyprus problem is also lacking in several areas. Now I am just having some fun.

I simply hope you have the sense to foresee what's coming your way. And I won't have, either personally or as community, anything to do with it.

A BBF or the status quo, that is all that is coming our way if you cant see this then I have given you too much credit - and I have not given you much.

As far as asking me for help, well yes, but on my terms for our common good. Cause you don't know really what's good for you. And never again will we allow a hypocritical, ungrateful, weak, compass less minority, at the mercy of FASCISTIC TURKEY, have any say in defining the future of our country.

who asked for your help? certainly not me. please point this out.

YOU ARE A MINORITY, a very small one, AND BEST LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT FACT. Else, I know of an academic/ scientist in London who will be more than happy to accommodate you in London.

I already have property in london thanks.

Last, let me thank you for electing Eroglu. I know you did it with a lot of help from your masters. He is the best that you have done for our country ever.

Again you show your lack of knowledge, Turkey openly supported Talat, in fact there was a campaign poster saying that a vote for Talat makes me feel closer to Turkey (or words to that affect).

In fact there is evidence if you care to look that Eroglu has been repeatedly reined in by Turkey - again I suggest you stop writing and talking so much and do some more reading and learning, before you once again prove yourself to be ....

As a footnote, there are people on this forum that profess views even worse than yours but the thing that gets me about you, is that when you came to this forum you pretended to be about debate and dialogue. But now you just repeatedly spout racist shit and have shown your true face... and I hate two faced people.

Just having fun!



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