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[DTA]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

[antifon]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
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[DTA]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
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was posting from a mobile so spell check done its thing, read: pertition not sure if that is the correct spelling though.

So can you answer the question now?

by little person I mean someone of no/low significants.

[antifon]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
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was posting from a mobile so spell check done its thing, read: pertition not sure if that is the correct spelling though.

So can you answer the question now?

by little person I mean someone of no/low significants.

It seems to me that subconsciously you can't put distance between you and PARTITION.

As I said, please go ahead and enlighten me. I am sure you will explain the situation ex post facto with appeals to the subtleties of Turkish culture. I wonder if the story will stay the same as we debate it further.

Ps. Thank you for the "little" clarification. It takes one to know one I guess.



Silent & Majority | Christofias' proposals
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/sil ... ority.html
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[BirKibrisli]

DTA...Our friends have a failsafe plan to get Turkey out of Cyprus...Piratis spelled it out some time ago...Turkey will be shut out of the EU,she will turn to embrace the Islamic nations to the east...This will upset the USA and Israel. Usa and Israel will encourage toe Kurds to uprise...Turkey will be divided...When she is at her weakest Israel and USA will attack Turkey and invade Anatolia...Hence Cyprus too will be liberated...They have a little problem,in that Turkey is a member of NATO and any attack on Turkey is considered an attack on NATO itself...But they are working on it...

I think antifon has just came up with plan B...Call the Turks and TCs all the names under the sun...Eventually they will get sick of hearing the insults and get up and leave...

You are finally on to me! Was wondering when you would catch a whiff of my plan. Is it working at all, moron?
[The last insult was needed for effect! I apologize in advance]

Of course, your staying in my home and town against my will is the mother of all insults. Only Turks can't see it & justify it in their fascistic Turkic minds.
[The above is not an insult. Merely stating facts]
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I am not anywhere near your home and town,you moron! (insult intended).

I am 20,000 kms away in Australia,because your lot has rasen my home and my village to the ground(literally),confiscated my community's rights in the RoC government,all because of your community's trecherous desire to unite with Greece...Now stop squelling like a pig on heat,go and demand some answers from your so-called leaders as to why they were so bloodymindedly and persistently and so tragically idiotic in the past...

Now that we have established beyond reasonable doubt that we are both morons, let me inform you that what you call "my community's treacherous desire to unite with Greece" was in fact the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF CYPRUS, a democratic will which the MALEVOLENT leaders of your MINORITY prevented by TREACHEROUS means indeed.

Which brings me to the title of the thread.

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
Think of that first before asking Erdogan, THE TURKISH THREACHEROUS MORON WITH STRATEGIC INTERESTS IN CYPRUS WHO WOULD HAVE INVENTED YOU HAD YOU NOT EXISTED, the same.

WHO THE HELL THE LOT OF YOU THINK YOU ARE?

Stay in Australia. More of you will soon be joining you. And it won't be me who is gonna be sending them. It's the decisions of your MORONIC leaders who continue unbated with their inability to understand that your PATHETIC MINORITY came as visitors (or converted as treacherous suck-ups) to this land and they will NOT BE ALLOWED to define its future or alter its character.

CAUSE THE REAL CYPRIOTS WON'T ALLOW YOU TO. THE REAL CYPRIOTS WILL DEFINE THE FUTURE OF CYPRUS, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

COMMUNITY MY ASS!
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If I am not a real Cypriot then you cannot be one either...Because we define each other... We are the same people...Decide whether you are a Greek or a Greek Cypriot,and let me decide whether I ama Turk or Turkish Cypriot...A Cypriot nation does not exist yet..It will only come into being if and when we show mutual respect,empathy and compassion...You are a million miles from being a Cypriot...On your bike,dike!

[BirKibrisli]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
.

was posting from a mobile so spell check done its thing, read: pertition not sure if that is the correct spelling though.

So can you answer the question now?

by little person I mean someone of no/low significants.

Can you believe the hypocrisy of this little person,DTA??
He /she talks about democracy and human rights,but will not hesitate to tell us who we are...The little fascist that he/she is doesnt even know that one of the fundamental human rights is the right to self-determination...He/she is the continuing evil spirit of Enosis with Greeece reincarnated and modernised,but with the same intention of dominating and oppressing the TC community...As long as these creeps exist amongst our GC cousins there will not be a solution...He/she of course is too thick to see it...

[antifon]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
.

was posting from a mobile so spell check done its thing, read: pertition not sure if that is the correct spelling though.

So can you answer the question now?

by little person I mean someone of no/low significants.

Can you believe the hypocrisy of this little person,DTA??
He /she talks about democracy and human rights,but will not hesitate to tell us who we are...The little fascist that he/she is doesnt even know that one of the fundamental human rights is the right to self-determination...He/she is the continuing evil spirit of Enosis with Greeece reincarnated and modernised,but with the same intention of dominating and oppressing the TC community...As long as these creeps exist amongst our GC cousins there will not be a solution...He/she of course is too thick to see it...

Self-determine yourself to Ankara imbecile!

People first need to have land to call their own before they can pursue self-determination. Is my home your land? Is Lapithos your land? Is Keryneia your land? Is Morphou your land? Is Ammochostos your land? Is Karpasia your land? You have always been a minority population scattered all over Cyprus.

Then again I must not forget that after 60 years of Turkish propaganda & education system you can't hep but behave like a Turk.

"As one Turkish friend put it (a man who has spent many years in America, and thus grasps the depth of the cultural chasm), “It’s not that they’re bad. They don’t even know they’re lying.”"

"[They] see “truth” as something plastic, connected more to emotions than to facts or logic. If it feels true, it is true."

"They are, after all, Turkish, so they pretty much say whatever sounds good to them at the time. They tend to explain these situations ex post facto with appeals to the subtleties of Turkish culture, but the story never stays the same."

"The Turkish diplomat Namik Tan put it to me this way ... “The West must understand,” he said, “that in this region, two plus two doesn’t always equal four. Sometimes it equals six, sometimes ten.”"

"If someone here feels very strongly that he wants two plus two to make ten

1. "trnc" to exist?
2. illegal settlers to be legal?
3. Cyprus to have 2 Presidents?
4. Morphou/Keryneia/Lapithos/Karpasia to be Turkish?
5. 1974 to have been an unavoidable peace opeation?
6. 64-74 to not have been deliberate SELF-SEGREGATION by tCypriot leaders
the list is endless

, then—voilà!—that’s what it means, and there is an emotional truth to it, in the mind of the speaker, that is morally more important than any literal truth."

"They don’t even know they’re lying. In Turkey, it is normal and expected to say that you will do something, have done something, or agree with something when, in fact, you won’t, haven’t, or don’t. This is so common that no one thinks of it as lying, in the sense that it is not viewed as unethical. It is just being polite. They assume you know they’re not being truthful, and they expect you to be lying as well, so it all evens out."

"The utter irrationality of Turks—and the utter uselessness, for them, of our Western notions of truth and logic—are points Americans won’t grasp unless they’ve lived here quite some time—and even then they won’t grasp them, because they make no sense."


WORLD AFFAIRS JOURNAL
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/ins ... syche.html
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... -2010.html


The fall back plan is the RoC. A 1960 with changes (63 ideas plus EU). The UN cannot but abide. We will push in this direction as soon as Eroglu, everyone's useful idiot, completes his role. I am certain it will be an Oscar's performance.

tCypriots best start thinking how to renegotiate their way back in to the Republic. Here is a preview of what you will be called upon to negotiate, aside from EU related matters:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html

Our thoughts and prayers with the Japanese people.
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[DTA]

Again with racist rantings of one little person we know who the he'll we are but it seems that you don't have a clue about who either the tcs or the gcs are,

Question: did you know the form that the perdition to enosis with greece took?

Enlighten me minority member! Please.

Ps. I hope by "little person" you only refer to body or brains or heart size?
Pps. "Perdition" as in eternal damnation?
.

was posting from a mobile so spell check done its thing, read: pertition not sure if that is the correct spelling though.

So can you answer the question now?

by little person I mean someone of no/low significants.

Can you believe the hypocrisy of this little person,DTA??
He /she talks about democracy and human rights,but will not hesitate to tell us who we are...The little fascist that he/she is doesnt even know that one of the fundamental human rights is the right to self-determination...He/she is the continuing evil spirit of Enosis with Greeece reincarnated and modernised,but with the same intention of dominating and oppressing the TC community...As long as these creeps exist amongst our GC cousins there will not be a solution...He/she of course is too thick to see it...

The thing that get me about antifon is s/he came to this forum pretending to be reasonable and engage in debate.... Now s/he just shows her true colours... s/he uses the Kurdish plight without a basic understanding of it and with every one of Antifons posts it become more apparent that s/he does not even have basic understand of the cyprus problem either/

[antifon]

DTA...Our friends have a failsafe plan to get Turkey out of Cyprus...Piratis spelled it out some time ago...Turkey will be shut out of the EU,she will turn to embrace the Islamic nations to the east...This will upset the USA and Israel. Usa and Israel will encourage toe Kurds to uprise...Turkey will be divided...When she is at her weakest Israel and USA will attack Turkey and invade Anatolia...Hence Cyprus too will be liberated...They have a little problem,in that Turkey is a member of NATO and any attack on Turkey is considered an attack on NATO itself...But they are working on it...

I think antifon has just came up with plan B...Call the Turks and TCs all the names under the sun...Eventually they will get sick of hearing the insults and get up and leave...

You are finally on to me! Was wondering when you would catch a whiff of my plan. Is it working at all, moron?
[The last insult was needed for effect! I apologize in advance]

Of course, your staying in my home and town against my will is the mother of all insults. Only Turks can't see it & justify it in their fascistic Turkic minds.
[The above is not an insult. Merely stating facts]
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I am not anywhere near your home and town,you moron! (insult intended).

I am 20,000 kms away in Australia,because your lot has rasen my home and my village to the ground(literally),confiscated my community's rights in the RoC government,all because of your community's trecherous desire to unite with Greece...Now stop squelling like a pig on heat,go and demand some answers from your so-called leaders as to why they were so bloodymindedly and persistently and so tragically idiotic in the past...

Now that we have established beyond reasonable doubt that we are both morons, let me inform you that what you call "my community's treacherous desire to unite with Greece" was in fact the DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF CYPRUS, a democratic will which the MALEVOLENT leaders of your MINORITY prevented by TREACHEROUS means indeed.

Which brings me to the title of the thread.

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
Think of that first before asking Erdogan, THE TURKISH THREACHEROUS MORON WITH STRATEGIC INTERESTS IN CYPRUS WHO WOULD HAVE INVENTED YOU HAD YOU NOT EXISTED, the same.

WHO THE HELL THE LOT OF YOU THINK YOU ARE?

Stay in Australia. More of you will soon be joining you. And it won't be me who is gonna be sending them. It's the decisions of your MORONIC leaders who continue unbated with their inability to understand that your PATHETIC MINORITY came as visitors (or converted as treacherous suck-ups) to this land and they will NOT BE ALLOWED to define its future or alter its character.

CAUSE THE REAL CYPRIOTS WON'T ALLOW YOU TO. THE REAL CYPRIOTS WILL DEFINE THE FUTURE OF CYPRUS, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

COMMUNITY MY ASS!
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If I am not a real Cypriot then you cannot be one either...Because we define each other... We are the same people...Decide whether you are a Greek or a Greek Cypriot,and let me decide whether I ama Turk or Turkish Cypriot...A Cypriot nation does not exist yet..It will only come into being if and when we show mutual respect,empathy and compassion...You are a million miles from being a Cypriot...On your bike,dike!

If you tell me you are a Cypriot then I have no reason not to believe you. You see, it is hard for us to distinguish sometimes whether we speak with TSK scum or illegal trash or foreign vultures, as all too often these other constituencies speak for you.

We are both Cypriots and my voice, once 4 times the strength of yours, today is more like 8 times as strong. So, learn at last to abide by the majority's will and all will be fine. You will in all likelihood decide to return home from Australia.

Read here for a useful exercise:

Is a T-Cypriot/Turkish Federation of N. Cyprus looming? Hallelujah - Aleluya !!
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/02/is- ... -of-n.html
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[mem101]

Antifon, you continue to quote one person's opinion of what they call an insight into the "Turkish Psyche." This person's view does have a certain level of credibility, but it does not provide any conclusive proof or formula for understanding Turkey or Turkish culture. The term "Turkish Psyche" is inaccurate, not least because pigeon-holing the psyche of roughly 70 million people into one simple article with just a few paragraphs is somewhat tedious, unreliable and prejudiced, but also because the insights given here are actually into the social interactions of a people of a certain region of the world. If you have travelled a little, you will understand what I mean. What is socially acceptable, expected, taboo, frowned upon, etc differs from region to region (the differences are extreme if you compare, say, Japan and Italy, relatively minor, although still nonetheless present and sometimes embarrassingly apparent, if you compare the UK and the USA).

Truth and logic do not belong to the west in the way your quotation implies. Truth and logic belong to the scientific method and to anyone who understands it and embraces it bravely without fear of where it may lead. There are many people in the west, indeed in the whole world, who are extremely illogical.

Following from that, it's worth noting that you yourself seem not to have a basic understanding of truth, logic and the scientific method. You read one thing which fits with your idea and you hold on to it as though your life depended on it; irrationally believing that if you yell "orange!" at a blade of grass enough times, and loud enough, then it will suddenly change colour.

Pursuing an understanding of Turkey, its people, politics and social systems (from here on referred to as "Turkish culture") is a complex task. For a theory to have credidibility it must be repeatable, it must explain past discrepencies, and it must make predictions (this is going by the book but in reality our topic is beyond our current ability to understand in so full a manner). Here is a very simple way to begin going about formulating fair theories about Turkish culture. Many westerners live in and have lived in Turkey. Data must be collected from as many people as possible in a controlled manner. Tests should be performed on the subjects themselves and data collected in this manner. Comparison data should also be collected from other countries in the region such as Greece, Cyprus, etc. Peer reviewed papers should be written and the work should be built upon. Experience of living in Turkey is almost a pre-requisite for anyone undertaking such projects.

I have gone into this much detail for a couple of reasons. Firstly, because I want to demonstrate your lack of understanding of what you call "western logic." Secondly, because I want to make a point that arises from looking at this logically - the point of collecting comparison data. I would gamble that Turkish culture doesn't differ from Greek or Cypriot culture as drastically as you might think. But I would never make an assumption without evidence. And that is a fundamental difference between us. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.