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[Mapko]

DTA...Are you trying to tell me that people like BirKibrisli doesn't speak for the majority and not everyone is like him? You need to get your own house in order before striking out at others and tutting at how they live.

[DTA]

DTA...Are you trying to tell me that people like BirKibrisli doesn't speak for the majority and not everyone is like him? You need to get your own house in order before striking out at others and tutting at how they live.

just where have I hit out at others and mentioned anything about how you live. I have just encouraged a forum member to speak his mind that is all.

As for BirKibrisli - which means one cyprus by the way- read his post post when he first came to this forum, for two years he done pretty much nothing but point out the wrongs that the Tcs done, in the hope that it would help bridge the divide.

[Mapko]

DTA...No, no, no - I meant 'you' as in the all-encompassing 'you', not 'you' in particular.

I thought it had something to do with Cyprus, but wasn't sure. I have read a lot of his posts and all he ever does is name-call and spout bile towards people (namely, Greek Cypriots).

[Bananiot]

You have no idea of who Birkibrisli is Mapko. Birkibrisli is a very sensitive and politically balanced Cypriot (above all), who has been maltreated by the forum nationalists who constantly throw abuse at him. Just like in the early 60's when we GC's killed innocent TC's for sport and thus pushed the TC's into the arms of TMT and the warm embrace of mother Turkey, Birkibrisli needs to take a defensive stand in the face of this barbaric onslought. Basically he has nothing in common with these bigots and neither do I, and if it were up to me and Birkibrisli, Cyprus would have been a paradise island for its people, one country, one people with the one man one vote principle in place. But, those who are tearing their clothes now with indignation at the injustice, are the ones that contributed most to make BBF the only realistically possible solution. Of course they are the once who made it possible for Turkey to come to Cyprus. If they are allowed to play first tune again, Cyprus will soon become part of Turkey. The progressive TC's have realised this and they are doing something about it, despite the Turkish army that controls the "TRNC".

[DTA]

DTA...No, no, no - I meant 'you' as in the all-encompassing 'you', not 'you' in particular.

I thought it had something to do with Cyprus, but wasn't sure. I have read a lot of his posts and all he ever does is name-call and spout bile towards people (namely, Greek Cypriots).

After two years of just point out TC wrongs I guess he did not see it in return by the GCs and lost some hope... it would be hard for anyone to do any different dont you agree?

[Mapko]

Bananiot...You are right, I don't know him. All I can go by is what I have read and he seems like a nasty zealot who thinks everyone who doesn't agree with his is the Devil. I haven't had a go at him once, but I came on here and he had a pop straight away. As soon as someone does that to you, you don't really give much credence to what he says after that.

You what? If you are a Greek Cypriot as you state, you talk like a traitor! I have never heard of Greek Cypriots killing island Turks for fun! That's ridiculous. Do you think the Turks were loved everywhere? Go to Crete and see how they are loved for what they did. The island Turks should have joined with the Greek Cypriots to rid the island of the British, but they sided with them and paid the price. Turkey was itching to get Cyprus back after it was given away. If you know your history, you'll know that England offered Greece the island to help them fight in WWI but, unfortunately, the Greeks turned them down. Then, in WWII, the English told the Cypriots they could have self-rule if they fought on their side. The Cypriots did and got what they've got throughout history - a right shafting.

If Cyprus - and it could only ever be the Northern part - does become part of Turkey, then that will be a death knell for any island Turk.

[Mapko]

DTA...Hmm, I probably agree, but it depends how he went about it. If he attacked people the way I've seen him attack, then he deserves what he gets.

[Get Real!]

Mapko,

Although a rare breed now, colonialist collaborators still exist in Cyprus!

I know it’s shocking… but shit happens!

[Bananiot]

Mapko, a better Greek than you and me once said: "Only the truth serves national interests properly". You can search google and find out who it was that said the above. Telling the truth does not make one a traitor. Perhaps hiding the truth could amount to treason but I wouldn't put my hand on the fire.

In 1964, we went to the Nicosia General Hospital and took out all the resident TC patients. Today we dig out their bodies from wells in the Parissinos area of Nicosia where we through them after we executed them in cold blood. These were ordinary folk who were not involved in the troubles. Targetting them was treason and if you condone this butchery you are no different of the butchers then, who brought Turkey to Cyprus with such actions.

[mem101]

Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

What “emergency” could there possibly be besides a coup by the military itself?

Indeed! Let's just say that there's a certain man's word which is golden...

Antifon, I find your approach alienating, offensive and unnecessarily aggressive. A lot of what you say emphasises and feeds division between Cypriots.

I'll answer your question about where I stand, however. I support a democratic, reunified Cyprus. I don't have preconditions and I don't have all the answers. I am open to more than one kind of solution. I could support a one state or two state solution. I don't support power sharing criteria based on religion, name, first language, sexual orientation or any other kind of prejudice. I reject any notion that Cyprus is anything but Cypriot.

mem101, it is meant to be aggressive. Not against you personally, but rather the unjust situation which you invited and maintain as a community. I have no sympathy for your plea as a result. I have been denied my rights for 40 years.

While you live in my home, occupy my town, profit from my misfortune, you tell me in general what you support. Frankly, I do not give a damn what you think in general. You are a hypocritical, ungrateful, minority, that should never have the kind of power that it was improperly given. Cyprus' future will be defined by the majority of AUTHENTIC CYPRIOTS, and you happen to be but a SMALL MINORITY, even smaller than you used to be. Your cultural and civic rights will be respected. Your moaning will not be tolerated anymore, allowed to stand in the way of progress.

It is time for decisions. If you, as tCypriot community, have not made up your minds yet, probably 'cause you find the lives you have been living at my expense too cozy, then too bad. Decisions have to be made, and formalizing the division is NOT an option.

Get out of my home mem101. And get the Brit vultures and TSK/Ergenekon scum out too. Lapithos, Keryneia, Morphou will be majority gCypriot again in less than 10 years.

There was a time I was not as aggressive. Read what I was saying then:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html

But tCypriot HYPOCRISY is out of this world! As pathetic is your ability to act collectively.

YOU ARE A SMALL MINORITY. IF YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH THIS FACT, THEN GO AND LIVE IN TURKEY WHERE YOUR RIGHTS WILL BE INFINITELY BETTER.
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Bitterness and hostility is not going to build any bridges, Antifon. Your post invites a non-academic historical argument - each side blaming the other continuously for past wrong-doings and both denying that they ever made any mistakes - and achieving nothing but more bitter feelings, hostility and division. The truth is that history is a lot more complex than you have allowed yourself to believe and no side is completely innocent (I don't like this term as it is an over-simplification, but it will serve my purpose in this instance).

I told you what I support because you asked me. If you didn't want to hear the answer, or already had a guns-glazing reply lined up for whatever I wrote, why ask in the first place? If you expected me to give you a full answer outlining every detail of what I think is the way for us to proceed from here, then you expected too much. As I said before, I am not a politician, just a citizen. I do not speak for every Turkish speaking Cypriot. And while we are on that point, you do not speak for every Greek speaking Cypriot, either.

You refer to "Authentic Cypriots" and a "small minority." Do you challenge the authenticity of my Cypriotness? You have no grounds for doing so. My ancestors have been living in Cyprus for untold generations - likely at least as far back as the Roman period or beyond. If that does not make me an authentic Cypriot then I do not know what does. I'm not in "your" home. You have no right to tell me to go and live in Turkey; I am not Turkish, I am Cypriot.

Reading your blog, I see that you think that Turkish speaking Cypriots have been subject to propoganda, but fail to see that Greek speaking Cypriots and you yourself have been subject to equally ferocious propoganda. As educated people, we need to look beyond nationalist (yes - nationalist, not fascist!) propoganda and biased arguments.

A lot of your insulting adjectives don't warrent any response. On your comment about getting "the Brit vultures and TSK/Ergenekon scum" out, I am afraid I don't personally have that kind of power... yes, yes, I know you were referring to everyone in the "small minority."

From this point the argument between us becomes purely political. You are far right wing - nationalist, occasionally fascist - in many of your views. I am very liberal. We would be arguing in any circumstances, unable to find common ground.