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[antifon]

antifon...I seriously doubt there will ever be a united Cyprus if it's down to Turkey. I state this because it is a country of fanatics and its army is led by zealots who see everything as a threat to its masculinity. Turkey has indeed got a 'little man syndrome' - why else would it sweep away every kind help its being given to change its standing. The olive branches have been snapped and burned on every occasion. Turkey is not on its own, though. It seems that the Eastern world is a hotbed for military coups (ok, I know about the Greek junta), but from Turkey through the Middle East, trough Africa and into Asia it's all military taking over. What needs to happen is the people need to take over in Turkey, the military needs to be reigned in and then we can possibly hope for a united Cyprus. As I don't know much about Turk home affairs, how likely is this?

Mapko, not knowing much about Turk home affairs is your first mistake. Do not form a concrete opinion for what the way forward should be for Cypriots before you educate yourself about Turkish thinking.

A good place to start is a World Affairs Journal article the link to which you can find here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/03/ins ... syche.html

You can read my position why it is only fair we meddle in Turkish affairs here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/new ... -late.html
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[mem101]

Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

What “emergency” could there possibly be besides a coup by the military itself?

Indeed! Let's just say that there's a certain man's word which is golden...

Antifon, I find your approach alienating, offensive and unnecessarily aggressive. A lot of what you say emphasises and feeds division between Cypriots.

I'll answer your question about where I stand, however. I support a democratic, reunified Cyprus. I don't have preconditions and I don't have all the answers. I am open to more than one kind of solution. I could support a one state or two state solution. I don't support power sharing criteria based on religion, name, first language, sexual orientation or any other kind of prejudice. I reject any notion that Cyprus is anything but Cypriot.

[kurupetos]

Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

What “emergency” could there possibly be besides a coup by the military itself?

Indeed! Let's just say that there's a certain man's word which is golden...

Antifon, I find your approach alienating, offensive and unnecessarily aggressive. A lot of what you say emphasises and feeds division between Cypriots.

I'll answer your question about where I stand, however. I support a democratic, reunified Cyprus. I don't have preconditions and I don't have all the answers. I am open to more than one kind of solution. I could support a one state or two state solution. I don't support power sharing criteria based on religion, name, first language, sexual orientation or any other kind of prejudice. I reject any notion that Cyprus is anything but Cypriot.

The only thing needed is a solution/constitution without the words Greek/Turkish/British.

[BirKibrisli]

Hey Mapko,you muppet! If you are new here you CANT know all about me. And if you know all about me then you CANT be new here...So come clean..Whose reincarnation are you..???

Not that it makes any difference...There will never be reunification because of nutcases like you who believe all the GC state propaganda re Cyprob...Then you cant keep your shirt on,start hating all TCs/Turks,go rabid with your accusations and insults,and hence make any empathy or compassion impossible...

On your bike,you Turk-hating,fascist bigot...You give this forum a very bad name..We don't need your kind here...We need people with open minds to communicate with in order to build understanding,trust,respect etc...You are simply a provocateur hell bent on preventing any sensible discussion..To Hell with you!

[Mapko]

mem101...Thanks for the information. I wouldn't say having powerful military to take over at any time is particularly good - just look at what happened with the Greek colonels and in Pakistan!

With regards to Turkey being a country of fanatics, it's just that whenever we see any Midle Eastern countries on the news, there are thousands of people demonstrating (I realise the irony with what has recently happened in Greece).

I can't really see Turkey ever ceding anything to the EU/UN. One of the mandates for Turkey to open talks on accession to the EU was to open its ports to Cypriot ships, which ahsn't been done.

I realise, mem101, that I do state Greek Cypriot a lot, but that's a force of habit and to differentiate betwen the South and North. As I've already posted, my family had close relationships with Turk Cypriots prior to 1974. When I do talk of Greek Cypriots and island Turks, this is the case and not to cause offence (although how many island Turks actually think this way?)

[Mapko]

Viewpoint...I'm not an ex-member. From my posts you think I'm negative and unproductive? It's the you lot who are negative and unproductive! I came on here and, if you look through the posts, have had name calling and swearing aimed at me and have NOT ONCE retaliated in the same way. I have reasoned - especially with DTA. So, before you BirKibrisli (him again) start your spite, just look at every single post done by him and look at his 'smiley' sign off!

[Mapko]

antifon...I realise I should take more of an interest in Turk home affairs before I can base any opinion on their rationale and what it means to Cyprus. I'll read your blogs with interest.

[Mapko]

BirKibrisli...If you are intelligent enough to read between the lines (though you don't need to because I actually posted what I meant), I stated I know all about you because you are the same as every single other island Turk. You want everyone and everything else to bow down to your wants and whims without any concession on your part. If you don't get what you want, you throw a strop and start name-calling. Give it a rest and grow up. You sound like a pathetic, whiny thirteen year old girl (unless you actually are).

When have I ever insulted anyone? I've only ever stated things how I see them - I have not been rude, disrespectful, nasty, snide, derogatory or anything else. All anyone has to do is look at your hate-filled rants and your 'smiley' sign off to realise it's YOU who is the weirdo fanatic.

It is YOU, BirKibrisli, who will be sentenced to burn in Hell. You come on here to help and be friendly and try to do things right, but people see right through you - you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I have never posted on here before, though I have read posts with interest and it seems it's the same thing over and over again. Greek Cypriots calling themselves 'Greek' to which the Turks take exception. Cypriots speak Greek and, probably, English - those are the ONLY two official languages of Cyprus. There's another language spoken - even before the mainland Turks came over - which proves there IS a difference between the people of Cyprus and they can only be distinguished by caling them Greek and Turk!

[B25]

Mapko, Birkturk is a self confessed TMT hardliner. His father was regional commander and hate to think what so of orders he was giving out.

He plays the innocent, he wants us to bow to him and scummy lot and apologise and offer our backsides and repent.

Just keep telling him and the others how it is, they can't stomach the truth it gets to them every time. You know when you get to them when they turn abusive as they have no other ammunition.

Welcome to the forum, stand your ground and don't be fooled by these theiving good for nothing peasant gypsies.

[antifon]

Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

What “emergency” could there possibly be besides a coup by the military itself?

Indeed! Let's just say that there's a certain man's word which is golden...

Antifon, I find your approach alienating, offensive and unnecessarily aggressive. A lot of what you say emphasises and feeds division between Cypriots.

I'll answer your question about where I stand, however. I support a democratic, reunified Cyprus. I don't have preconditions and I don't have all the answers. I am open to more than one kind of solution. I could support a one state or two state solution. I don't support power sharing criteria based on religion, name, first language, sexual orientation or any other kind of prejudice. I reject any notion that Cyprus is anything but Cypriot.

mem101, it is meant to be aggressive. Not against you personally, but rather the unjust situation which you invited and maintain as a community. I have no sympathy for your plea as a result. I have been denied my rights for 40 years.

While you live in my home, occupy my town, profit from my misfortune, you tell me in general what you support. Frankly, I do not give a damn what you think in general. You are a hypocritical, ungrateful, minority, that should never have the kind of power that it was improperly given. Cyprus' future will be defined by the majority of AUTHENTIC CYPRIOTS, and you happen to be but a SMALL MINORITY, even smaller than you used to be. Your cultural and civic rights will be respected. Your moaning will not be tolerated anymore, allowed to stand in the way of progress.

It is time for decisions. If you, as tCypriot community, have not made up your minds yet, probably 'cause you find the lives you have been living at my expense too cozy, then too bad. Decisions have to be made, and formalizing the division is NOT an option.

Get out of my home mem101. And get the Brit vultures and TSK/Ergenekon scum out too. Lapithos, Keryneia, Morphou will be majority gCypriot again in less than 10 years.

There was a time I was not as aggressive. Read what I was saying then:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html

But tCypriot HYPOCRISY is out of this world! As pathetic is your ability to act collectively.

YOU ARE A SMALL MINORITY. IF YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH THIS FACT, THEN GO AND LIVE IN TURKEY WHERE YOUR RIGHTS WILL BE INFINITELY BETTER.
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