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[Hermes]

Antifon makes an interesting point about Kurdish rights. Is Turkey prepared to give its Kurdish minority rights it seeks for the Turkish Cypriots?

I doubt that Erdogan will come up with any proposals which would provide the 20 per cent Kurdish minority with full political, human and cultural rights as other Turkish citizens have, and political autonomy for the Kurds in their geographic region in eastern and southeastern Turkey

Erdogan is obviously not going to give the Kurdish minority the same rights it seeks for the Turkish Cypriot minority, namely, a veto over all key executive and legislative decisions; control of 30 per cent of the land; rotating presidency and 30 per cent of government jobs. Nor will Erdogan give the Kurds a separate state such as Turkey has done illegally in Cyprus.

Are all minorities to be allowed veto rights over the majority population? Or is it only when it suits Turkey?

Cyprus requires a constitutional democracy based on majority rule, the rule of law, and the protection of minority rights. Anything else is unworkable, unjust and undemocratic.

[Mapko]

antifon...I know where you're coming from - if the Turks can treat the Kurds (20 million) like they do and get away with it, what chance have 800,000 Cypriots got? If the Kurds had something that the West wanted, like oil, there'd be nothing that could harm them from a Turk point-of-view. The West would do everything in its power to do what they wanted - help, aid, money. As it stands, nobody will help the Kurds - basically because they are homeless - but Turkey is strategic in its position (like Cyprus is, like Israel is) and whatever it wants, it will get. To be honest, though, although I should be and it probably is the right thing to do, I'm really not too bothered too much about the plight of the Kurd in so much I'm focussing more on the plight of the Greek Cypriot.

[mem101]

I lived in Turkey for two years. It's not likely at all, at least not for a long time. Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

I wouldn't say Turkey is quite a country of fanatics - no more than any other mediterrenean country at any rate... but they are proud people who can sometimes be very dogmatic in their views until they see something concrete to make them change their position.

The best and most likely way we are ever to get a united Cyprus is through UN/EU channels. There are too many Turks who see Cyprus as "theirs" for Turkey to let it go of their own accord.

[mem101]

Mapko, how about being focussed on the plight of the Cypriot rather than the Greek Cypriot.

[Viewpoint]

Mapko, how about being focussed on the plight of the Cypriot rather than the Greek Cypriot.

Im starting to think both anti and mapko are both reincarnated ex members who no one would respond to due to their negative and unproductive stance.

[Get Real!]

Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

What “emergency” could there possibly be besides a coup by the military itself?

[antifon]

I ask all of you to study the demands of Turkey's Kurds as outlined at Carnegie last May 2010. Then contrast what Turkey has been refusing to her 25 million Kurds to what she says she considers as must for several thousand Turkish Cypriots in another UN member state.

Cypriots, the overwhelming Greek Cypriot majority, will be fools to agree to:

[1] demands by the minority that perpetuate the ill equality of 60

[2] perpetuate the division of the 1974 barbaric invasion

[3] not undo the foreign intervention rights of 60

[4] agree to the continuation of sovereign British bases

Cypriots, tCypriots & gCypriots together should be the main supporters of the Kurdish plight in Turkey for achieving the below stated goals.

CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT
TUESDAY, MAY 4, 2010 – WASHINGTON, D.C.
Turkey's Kurds’ Demands

1. A constitutional recognition of the ethnic and linguistic differences among all citizens of Turkey

2. Cultural recognition and official usage of the Kurdish language

3. The decentralization of the administrative system so as to allow greater local decision making in all regions of Turkey and not just Kurdish majority regions
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/events ... l&id=2893#

More on my blog, click on the 'Double Standards' or 'Kurdish Plight' categories:
http://antifon.blogspot.com
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[antifon]

Mapko, how about being focussed on the plight of the Cypriot rather than the Greek Cypriot.

Cypriots we are indeed.

You [tCypriots in general] lose me when you say you deserve 1960 "equality" & you whistle indifferently when we say that we had a gun pointed on our heads in order to agree. Never again!

You also lose me when you can't see why we rejected Anan, something we will do again even more forcefully if it ever appears again. Never will we legitimize the division and cultural destruction of 1974.

Where do you stand?

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[antifon]

Antifon makes an interesting point about Kurdish rights. Is Turkey prepared to give its Kurdish minority rights it seeks for the Turkish Cypriots?

I doubt that Erdogan will come up with any proposals which would provide the 20 per cent Kurdish minority with full political, human and cultural rights as other Turkish citizens have, and political autonomy for the Kurds in their geographic region in eastern and southeastern Turkey

Erdogan is obviously not going to give the Kurdish minority the same rights it seeks for the Turkish Cypriot minority, namely, a veto over all key executive and legislative decisions; control of 30 per cent of the land; rotating presidency and 30 per cent of government jobs. Nor will Erdogan give the Kurds a separate state such as Turkey has done illegally in Cyprus.

Are all minorities to be allowed veto rights over the majority population? Or is it only when it suits Turkey?

Cyprus requires a constitutional democracy based on majority rule, the rule of law, and the protection of minority rights. Anything else is unworkable, unjust and undemocratic.

Hermes, indeed I do. Do not honor it with a mere post. Stick with it. Religiously. Get more on board.

As someone told me today on the Cyprus Mail:

I have been reading your posts and I agree 100% with you that the Kurdish comparison irritates Turks & that it is an unexploited argument, no less significant than the gas finds next to Leviathan [the Israeli gas find next to our Block 12]. It makes Turks go berserk to ask why they object Kurdish demands for Kurdish to be recognized as an official language of Turkey. Or why they object acknowledging that Kurds deserve community status and autonomy in their regions of Kurdistan.

It will also help uncover tCypriot hypocrisy, not just Turkey's, as the tCypriots hide behind the unjust 1960 that made them think that they can eternally block our ability our ABILITY TO DEFINE OUR FUTURE ON THE LANDS OF OUR FOREFATHERS!

Which brings me to the theme of the thread:

With love for the tCypriots & hatred for their hypocritical stance I say:

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO BLOCK OUR WILL?

WE WILL DEFINE OUR FUTURE AND YOU HAVE A CHOICE: EITHER JOIN US WITH REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OR THE HELL WITH YOU.

http://antifon.blogpsot.com
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[antifon]

I lived in Turkey for two years. It's not likely at all, at least not for a long time. Having a powerful military that can take over in an emergency is seen as a positive by many, even most, and there are certain taboos which stunt its political development.

I wouldn't say Turkey is quite a country of fanatics - no more than any other mediterrenean country at any rate... but they are proud people who can sometimes be very dogmatic in their views until they see something concrete to make them change their position.

The best and most likely way we are ever to get a united Cyprus is through UN/EU channels. There are too many Turks who see Cyprus as "theirs" for Turkey to let it go of their own accord.

We need you mem101. If however your precondition to help is carrying forward the 1960 "equality" OR the division of 1974, then I say to you:

GO TO HELL!
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