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[halil]

halil

Burrows said his recent visit to Cyprus was important as it coincided with the Turkish Cypriots “rise up against being dominated and dependent on Turkey”.
“We talk about wanting to support a bi-zonal, bi-communal, federal solution to the Cyprus problem. The bi-communal bit means that there needs to be a Turkish Cypriot community able to stand on its own feet and not be wholly dependent on Turkey”.

Good luck, but Turkey has made it clear it has a strategic interests in Cyprus and you are not part of the considerations. Turkey will not allow BBF in Cyprus at all. The only way Cypriots will liberate themselves is to work together to oust Turkey. Your leadership admitted to being a Turk and wants acceptance by Turkey.

With no solution in sight we will continue on our way without you.

The Greek and Turkish Cypriot sides at a meeting on last Monday reaffirmed that UN principles will form the basis of negotiations on the reunification of Cyprus.



“We have made clear together with Eroglu that we are talking about federation, not confederation”, Christofias said after the meeting.



The Greek Cypriots have been seeking official clarification for some time following a series of contradictory comments by Eroglu in which he appeared to advocate a “two states, two peoples” solution.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus33548.html

[kurupetos]

halil

Burrows said his recent visit to Cyprus was important as it coincided with the Turkish Cypriots “rise up against being dominated and dependent on Turkey”.
“We talk about wanting to support a bi-zonal, bi-communal, federal solution to the Cyprus problem. The bi-communal bit means that there needs to be a Turkish Cypriot community able to stand on its own feet and not be wholly dependent on Turkey”.

Good luck, but Turkey has made it clear it has a strategic interests in Cyprus and you are not part of the considerations. Turkey will not allow BBF in Cyprus at all. The only way Cypriots will liberate themselves is to work together to oust Turkey. Your leadership admitted to being a Turk and wants acceptance by Turkey.

With no solution in sight we will continue on our way without you.

Cyprus can live without you.

[humanist]

VP

With no solution in sight we will continue on our way without you

You forget that we don't need you. We will free OUR lands and we will do it with out you.

Don't poke yourself in the face VP your compatriots are crossing the green line each day to put food on their tables and feed their families because your little illegal regime can no longer sustain it. I wouldn't rejoice with such vigour.

Your motherland has screwed you over for the past 35 years and it will not stop till your race is extinct. On a personal level I think that is ad because the TC community among the other minority community groups is what makes Cyprus a unique place and that is why AM PROUD TO BE CYPRIOT> ZITO H KYPROS

[Viewpoint]

VP

With no solution in sight we will continue on our way without you

You forget that we don't need you. We will free OUR lands and we will do it with out you.

Don't poke yourself in the face VP your compatriots are crossing the green line each day to put food on their tables and feed their families because your little illegal regime can no longer sustain it. I wouldn't rejoice with such vigour.

Your motherland has screwed you over for the past 35 years and it will not stop till your race is extinct. On a personal level I think that is ad because the TC community among the other minority community groups is what makes Cyprus a unique place and that is why AM PROUD TO BE CYPRIOT> ZITO H KYPROS

And we dont need you, we were fine when the borders were closed and would be again, no one is exactly starving in the TRNC which is a situation you would love to see.

This idea that we will be eaten alive by Turkey s pure shit, dont forget we are all Turkish in origin in the north not Greek. I would rather become a Turk that a minority in a GC state.

[kurupetos]

VP

With no solution in sight we will continue on our way without you

You forget that we don't need you. We will free OUR lands and we will do it with out you.

Don't poke yourself in the face VP your compatriots are crossing the green line each day to put food on their tables and feed their families because your little illegal regime can no longer sustain it. I wouldn't rejoice with such vigour.

Your motherland has screwed you over for the past 35 years and it will not stop till your race is extinct. On a personal level I think that is ad because the TC community among the other minority community groups is what makes Cyprus a unique place and that is why AM PROUD TO BE CYPRIOT> ZITO H KYPROS

And we dont need you, we were fine when the borders were closed and would be again, no one is exactly starving in the TRNC which is a situation you would love to see.

This idea that we will be eaten alive by Turkey s pure shit, dont forget we are all Turkish in origin in the north not Greek. I would rather become a Turk that a minority in a GC state.

[humanist]

halil

The Greek and Turkish Cypriot sides at a meeting on last Monday reaffirmed that UN principles will form the basis of negotiations on the reunification of Cyprus.



“We have made clear together with Eroglu that we are talking about federation, not confederation”, Christofias said after the meeting.

Eroglu has clearly stated he is a Turk like the rest of them. He requires and expects their respect and support. He is aim is annexation to Turkey and Christofias needs to take these words carefully because Eroglu is a fascist prick who wants to gift Cyprus to Turkey. Eroglu has repeatedly stated the formal partition of Cyprus. These are his latest tactics.

[humanist]

VP

And we dont need you, we were fine when the borders were closed and would be again, no one is exactly starving in the TRNC which is a situation you would love to see.

This idea that we will be eaten alive by Turkey s pure shit, dont forget we are all Turkish in origin in the north not Greek. I would rather become a Turk that a minority in a GC state.

Firstly, you are a wealthy TC who has plenty of food and cannot have empathy for your compatriots.

Secondly congratulations on being a Turk, would you kindly them move to Turkey where you belong and leave Cypriots be free in their own country your an attila who has no conscience.

Could you kindly inform halil of your Turkish background so the poor man stops saying he is a TC and has right to exist on Cyprus.

[boomerang]

jd the eu is not gonna dump turkey at anytime...the eu being a service economy needs a manufacturing hub and turkey today fills the role via the trade agreement...what will damage turkey in the long run is trade agreements with other countries...

for starters this trade agreement http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/im ... 69176.aspx has spooked turkey a little and a i say a little because sth korea is both a manufacturing hub and a service economy...

the eu is always looking to expand her economy for the benefit of her own... there was another trade agreement, don't quote me on this but i think mexico...this also spooked the turks as the trade agreements are in such a way that the countries that sign with the eu are also covering as far as importing but it does not extend to the signed countries...this exludes any agreements for instance turkey in exporting to sth korea...

if the eu tomorrow signs a trade agreement with china and they are talking btw, the turkey investment will be gone eastwards...living turkey out in the cold...

it is to turkey's best intereset in joining the eu provided she understands it's turkey joining the eu and not the eu joining turkey...until this happens turkey wil find herself out in the cold one sunny day blaming everyone except herself...

the reason turkey became a manufacturing hub is because business invested in turkey because of the trade agreement...big business will always look for investements with greater returns...now do you think if there was a trade agreement signed tomorrow between china and the eu, business will not pull out of turkey?...you know and i know turkey not only can't compete with china but china will run circles around turkey...

so yes today the eu will keep turkey on the sidelines...but i do see a problem arising with the roc taking the eu helm next year...i see turkey accession frozen...but the turks are proud people and it's anyones guess how they will react...

This is about the best reply I've had so far, thanks boomerang.

Another question, is it up to the EU presidency to freeze the accession talks with any country or is it a joint decision of all the EU countries?

An you are right, Turkey can't compete with China but Turkey being at the border of the EU, would it not be more profitable in the long run for big businesses to stay in Turkey and save on time and money transporting all the way from China?

OTOH, it might stop the Chinese flooding the worlds markets with cheap and dangerous products, or at least reduce it.

the answer to the freezing regarding accession is totally dependable upon eu memebers, the way i see it is between states...any state can freeze certain negotiations form the aspiring country...not dependable on eu presidency...here comes the problem in case turkey vs cyprus...turkey doesn't recognise the roc as a sovereign state...in other words turkey is gonna blacklist herself when the time comes...

regarding trade, the reason turkey attracted a huge eu investment thus far is due to the trade agreement...noone can deny this...lets look at the recent example of foxconn opening a new plan in turkey for hp contract manufacturing...the only reason foxconn came to turkey is because of the trade agreement just so the shareholders back in taiwan will get a bigger dividend...foxconn is probably one of the biggest contract manufacturers in the world...even though no one has ever heard of them..

freight is totally irrelevant, as the cost per unit shipped out of china vs turkey will only come to about $10 per hp computer...but the labour in turkey is higher than china so this takes the freifght component out of it since higher salaries are paid in turkey...but when it comes to tariffs is a different ball game...

Trade agreements will open china to eu technology and this is what counts as far as the eu is concerned...the eu would like to open china and modernize their factories and believe me there are heaps to modernize...big bucks involved...so it's good for the eu to have an agreement with china...as it's stands to gain one hell of a lot...modernizing chinese factories means better quality goods for europe...a two way stream...eu and china joinly gain...

as far as cheap chinese products flooding the market, is only a misconception found at markets...in china there are 6-7 tier levels of manufacturing...lets look at apple for example...foxconn employes 500,000 people at it's various plans in china just to produce apple products...you can't say these are cheap and dangerous products...yes there cheap and nasty products coming out of china, but similar products come out of everywhere and turkey is no exemption...you would need to differentiate between products and big business...the standards are way different...I for example just signed a distibution agreement with a US company...now everything is coming out of china...so you ask yourself why would i do that when i get the same product out of china without paying the extra marging to the us company...here it is...for me to deal with 1 and 2 tier manufacturer in china ensuring top quality, yes they will deal with me, but my volume is tiny comparing to their output...so I would need lots of money which i haven't got and secondly a market to sell these goods...the US company has both so they are able to meet both requirements...and believe it or not the price differential between the 1-7 tier manufacturing companies is not that great ...we are talking cents...so in other words i was forced to go to the US...to get top notch product at a comparable price...

the 1-3 tier manufacturing companies in china compete head on with sony, samsung, lg etc...the few that come to mind are hisence and tcl...their output is higher than samsung, lg and sony when it comes to tvs and white goods...but yes no one is ever heard of them...they have a foothold in a more than a billion people market and this is only in china...these companies are slowly flexing their mussles in the international arena...keep in mind there are 6 billion people world wide...1.3 billion live in china...

as far as turkey is concerned she needs to evaluate where she wants to bethe next 10-20 years...she has a chance to join the eu and herself become a service economy like the rest of the eu countries...if she choses otherwise, i can't see a future for turkey as she will be locked out...

you see jd, economics will dictate the future of turkey...but she needs to understand she is joining the eu and not the other way around...

[Get Real!]

Hmm, maybe you're just too clever for this forum...

Anyone can ask questions but not everyone is able to give the right answers, as is evident.

We had no idea you were looking for the “right” answers!

Maybe you should just post the “right” answers so we won’t disappoint you any more...

[BirKibrisli]

Looks like this thread is turning into one of those where most people let their dreams speak instead of answering questions by taking a hard look at the reality and what's going on around the world.

At least one person, who shall remain nameless, must either be living in his own dream world or is a failed politician because he just does not give any direct answers to any of my questions.

Shame really, if the people of the two communities who are the ones that are going to live together, can not agree to anthing, how do they expect the power and fame hungry politicians to solve the unification solution?

You summed up the sad situation of this Forum pretty well,Jack...
Welcome to our little forum,btw,and hope you stick around to help put some sense and reality in certain people's lives...

Thanks for the welcome but it looks like it may have been a great mistake joining this forum. Some posters seem to be really hostile, especiaslly to those of us from the UK. One even wants me to "apologise profusely" as if it was my fault what happened in Cyprus.

Jack...this forum has a few resident fascists and bigots who like to play the man and not the ball...Unless you tell them what they want to hear (ie that everything is the fault of everybody else but the GCs,and the world owes them 'profound apologies'! )...They are good at trying to shut people up,by insults and intimidations,and than have the audacity to suggest they want to live in a unitary state with full democracy and human rights...
Do not give them the satisfaction of driving you out...Keep asking your questions,there will be others who will reply sensibly...
Well,one other really...His name is Bananiot,and he is the conscience of the GCs here... He is worth waiting for!