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[JackDoe]

Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency!

And then what, Cyprus is going to concentrate on just the Cyprus problem and forget about all the other problems the EU is facing?

Somehow I don't think the rest of the EU countries will be very pleased if the Greek Cypriots put everyone else's problems in the bottom draw and expect everyone to help them with their own.

jack, can i ask wot ur interest in cyprus is?

It's an EU country and I am interested in what's going on in the EU.

which eu country are u from?

The UK.

[ZoC]

the uk has hardly showered itself with glory in relation to cyprus. i suggest u examine carefully the nefarious role the uk has played in the division of cyprus, eat loads of humble pie, apologise profusely, lobby ur government to offer reparations, and then come here and cross examine cypriots about the future of the island.

[ZoC]

Looks like this thread is turning into one of those where most people let their dreams speak instead of answering questions by taking a hard look at the reality and what's going on around the world.

At least one person, who shall remain nameless, must either be living in his own dream world or is a failed politician because he just does not give any direct answers to any of my questions.

Shame really, if the people of the two communities who are the ones that are going to live together, can not agree to anthing, how do they expect the power and fame hungry politicians to solve the unification solution?

You summed up the sad situation of this Forum pretty well,Jack...
Welcome to our little forum,btw,and hope you stick around to help put some sense and reality in certain people's lives...

not urs though, birkturk. ur psychological disorder probably requires professional intervention... perhaps a course of CBT.

[JackDoe]

the uk has hardly showered itself with glory in relation to cyprus. i suggest u examine carefully the nefarious role the uk has played in the division of cyprus,

Ermmm...isn't asking questions in order to learn classed as examining?

eat loads of humble pie,

What sort?

apologise profusely,

What for?

lobby ur government to offer reparations,

For what?

and then come here and cross examine cypriots about the future of the island.

Let me see if I understood you properly.

You are telling me to away, learn about the history of Cyprus, what the UK governments role was in the division of the island then come back and cross examine the Cypriots?

Ermmm....if I knew all that, what would be the point of asking more questions to get the answers I already know?

Please don't feel that you are obliged to answer any of my questions, you don't need to, really.

[JackDoe]

Looks like this thread is turning into one of those where most people let their dreams speak instead of answering questions by taking a hard look at the reality and what's going on around the world.

At least one person, who shall remain nameless, must either be living in his own dream world or is a failed politician because he just does not give any direct answers to any of my questions.

Shame really, if the people of the two communities who are the ones that are going to live together, can not agree to anthing, how do they expect the power and fame hungry politicians to solve the unification solution?

You summed up the sad situation of this Forum pretty well,Jack...
Welcome to our little forum,btw,and hope you stick around to help put some sense and reality in certain people's lives...

Thanks for the welcome but it looks like it may have been a great mistake joining this forum. Some posters seem to be really hostile, especiaslly to those of us from the UK. One even wants me to "apologise profusely" as if it was my fault what happened in Cyprus.

[Hermes]

The question wasn't about what Turkey can do but how important Turkey's geographical position is important to the EU & the USA. In that context, do you believe that Cyprus unification is so much more important that the EU will tell Turkey it's all over and she should go join her Muslim neighbors?

The question is whether Turkey cares enough about its EU accession to withdraw its forces and renounce all claim to Cyprus. There was hope amongst Turkey's Western allies that Erdogan would be the man to solve the Cyprus issue and anchor Turkey in the West. However, it appears that the EU accession process is just a game Turkey is playing. It says one thing in public to appease investors, allies and secular critics while pursuing a policy of Islamisation at home, neo-Ottomanism abroad and belligerence on the Cyprus issue.

Erdogan has shown little intention of doing what's required to join the EU by adopting EU rules and keeping to his promises. Instead he is using the Cyprus issue to stop that happening - while blaming the EU and the Greek Cypriots. But the strategy is running into deadlock. Without the prospect of EU entry, the Turkish economy will suffer and Turkey looks increasingly out of step with events in the region. While the Middle East and north Africa are yearning for democracy and freedom, Turkey is looking to Islamify and aligning itself with the most reactionary elements in the region.

It's worth reminding yourself that Turkey has an accession process, like every EU candidate country. If it was serious about joining the EU Turkey would do what is required of it. It's not the role of the EU or the Cyprus Republic to make concessions to Turkey.

[ZoC]

the uk has hardly showered itself with glory in relation to cyprus. i suggest u examine carefully the nefarious role the uk has played in the division of cyprus,

Ermmm...isn't asking questions in order to learn classed as examining?

eat loads of humble pie,

What sort?

apologise profusely,

What for?

lobby ur government to offer reparations,

For what?

and then come here and cross examine cypriots about the future of the island.

Let me see if I understood you properly.

You are telling me to away, learn about the history of Cyprus, what the UK governments role was in the division of the island then come back and cross examine the Cypriots?

i sure am. because i find ur questions leading and accusatory. and now that it's been established ur from the uk, patronizing and insulting too. and i suspect others think likewise. the only way u can figure out why is by doing some homework.

as for ur questions above..

'wot sort of humble pie?'

reparations and apology? this will be clearer once u've done some basic research into establishing ur country's neglect of its legal and moral obligations to the island.

Ermmm....if I knew all that, what would be the point of asking more questions to get the answers I already know?

Please don't feel that you are obliged to answer any of my questions, you don't need to, really.

i'm not answering because i feel i'm obliged nor because i need to, really. but it's a hobby of mine to challenge the likes of u here. so thanks for giving me the opportunity.

[ZoC]

Looks like this thread is turning into one of those where most people let their dreams speak instead of answering questions by taking a hard look at the reality and what's going on around the world.

At least one person, who shall remain nameless, must either be living in his own dream world or is a failed politician because he just does not give any direct answers to any of my questions.

Shame really, if the people of the two communities who are the ones that are going to live together, can not agree to anthing, how do they expect the power and fame hungry politicians to solve the unification solution?

You summed up the sad situation of this Forum pretty well,Jack...
Welcome to our little forum,btw,and hope you stick around to help put some sense and reality in certain people's lives...

Thanks for the welcome but it looks like it may have been a great mistake joining this forum. Some posters seem to be really hostile, especiaslly to those of us from the UK. One even wants me to "apologise profusely" as if it was my fault what happened in Cyprus.

ur fault has been to enter the fray ill-equipped.

[Piratis]

Turkey is not a puppet of anybody, but it is not a superpower either. If the Americans really wanted Turkey out of Cyprus they could have forced her out, but it wouldn't be as simple as just asking from them to leave.

Problem is that the Americans prefer the division.

You know that the US prefer the division and yet you still claim that Turkey is not a puppet, is it then possible that the USA is allowing Turkey do what's it's doing as long as it does what pleases the USA and in return Turkey will be in the end allowed to annex North Cyprus?

That would not serve the interests of the USA either. If it did then annexation of north Cyprus would have happened decades ago. Turkey might not be the puppet of USA, but USA can control the balance of power in the region and they don't want Turkey getting too powerful.

If the two communities were integrated then Cypriots would stop fighting each other

Reading this forum, and others, I don't get that impression and have no doubt that neither does anyone else, unfortunately.

This is what happens when foreign imperialists offer to a minority gains on the expense of the majority.

and they would soon notice that two parts of our island are still under colonial rule. The British and the Americans want us to have bigger problems to deal with so we will not bother them with the bases (because we would fear that trying to force the bases out would result in USA/UK taking an even more pro Turkish stance)

Having said what you said above, do you think that the USA & the EU can afford to be hostile against Turkey and tell her it's over re the EU accession talks?

Many major EU countries have been telling to Turkey in quite direct way that her EU accession process will lead nowhere. So apparently they can afford it.

For the Cyprus problem to be truly solved (i.e. Cyprus to be truly liberated), the balance of power should change in such a way that USA/UK and Turkey find themselves at opposite camps. Under such senario Cyprus could be liberated, and gain a decent level of freedom and independence (unlike the one forced on us in 1960).

With what's going on around the world and the USA & the EU being so dependent on the bases in Turkey, do you thing that it's possible for the USA/UK and Turkey to be in opposite camps in the near future?

Quite possible. Don't forget that Turkey didn't let them use those bases in several occasions during the Iraq war. Splitting up Turkey and having those bases in Kurdistan (with grateful Kurds instead of arrogant Turks) could make perfect sense in some point in the future, especially if Turkey continues associating itself with countries such as Iran while being hostile to Israel.

Regarding what would happen if Turkey pulled out, this would depend on if she would pull out just militarily, or if she would totally give up any involvement in our island. But even in the best case scenario, there will still need to be some adjustment period. The TCs have been brainwashed for decades (since the 50s) that they are some super special kind of community that deserve disproportionally large amounts of power and even their own separate state on land stolen from us. It will take a while for them to get used to live peacefully as equal Cypriot citizens and realize that there is nothing special about their own ethnic minority, apart from the fact that they have been used by foreigners as the means and the excuse to divide Cyprus.

Is it not true that the Greek Cypriots were also brainwashed to demand enosis back in the 50's & 60's and also were forced by foreigners to take up arms against their own, both Greek and Turkish Cypriots?

With Cyprus having a population 80%+ Greek for 1000s of years, it made perfect sense for Cyprus to be part of the Greek state. If the foreign Imperialists allowed the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island then a revolution would not be necessary.

Didn't the British allow the people of Gibraltar to vote in a referendum whether or not they want to unite with Spain? They could have done the same with Cyprus, but unfortunately the British allow such things only when they know the result would suit them.

And to answer the question in the title of this thread: No. Cyprus will not be unified any time soon unless something dramatic and unpredictable happens.

Thank you, one direct answer to my questions.

No problem

[Get Real!]

So why then does the USA not just pull out of Turkey instead of still insisting that Turkey should be allowed to join the EU?

You could ask them the same question about every other US base they’re hanging onto!

The new technology still is not able to transport soldiers and equipment without the use of military vehicles and with the oil price being so high don't you think that it makes more sense for the US to stay friendly with Turkey?

Right, so how does Turkey’s "unique geographical advantage” help the US/Britain with the recent troubles in Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, or Libya?

With the exception of Iraq, Turkey has no geographical advantage to offer the US for every other trouble spot.

Have you heard something that no one else has?

I read a LOT of things that most, most likely do not.

Don't you really know what I am talking about or do you just do not want to get into that conversation?

I haven't the slightest idea what that had to do with Turkey!

Well, yes, must admit that you are right, no point in discussing anything if one side refuses or is incapable of answering even the simplest questions.

Hmm, maybe you're just too clever for this forum...