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Re: Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Postby JackDoe » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:42 pm

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JackDoe wrote:Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency! :lol:


And then what, Cyprus is going to concentrate on just the Cyprus problem and forget about all the other problems the EU is facing?

Somehow I don't think the rest of the EU countries will be very pleased if the Greek Cypriots put everyone else's problems in the bottom draw and expect everyone to help them with their own.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:42 pm

Get Real! wrote:The five pillars of Cypriot foreign policy! :lol:


I will tell you what the GC cause is...Doing your best to cut off your nose to spite your face... Lets see if you can figure it out! :)
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:50 pm

JackDoe wrote:The question wasn't about what Turkey can do but how important Turkey's geographical position is important to the EU & the USA.

Unless you’re a Pitcairn island, the notion that one country’s geographical location is “better” than the rest is an old wife’s tale! Especially in the age of satellites, ICBM's, and other technologies.

In that context, do you believe that Cyprus unification is so much more important that the EU will tell Turkey it's all over and she should go join her Muslim neighbors?

Turkey’s EU accession process WILL TERMINATE at the end of this year and there cannot and will not be any further extensions or special arrangements... she's already used them all up! The RoC’s two-year EU presidency at the worst possible moment for Turkey, will not be helping either! Her fallout with Israel and parlaying with Iran has further sealed off Turkey’s fate. It's OVER!

Wealthier west? Greece, Spain, Ireland, probably the UK next with what's going on here at the moment, how many countries do you think the EU is capable of bailing out?

Huh? :?

Will there be any repercussions to Turkey if it does join the EU?

She cannot, it's over so there's no point in discussing the advantages of something that will never come to pass.
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Re: Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Postby JackDoe » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Piratis wrote:Turkey is not a puppet of anybody, but it is not a superpower either. If the Americans really wanted Turkey out of Cyprus they could have forced her out, but it wouldn't be as simple as just asking from them to leave.

Problem is that the Americans prefer the division.


You know that the US prefer the division and yet you still claim that Turkey is not a puppet, is it then possible that the USA is allowing Turkey do what's it's doing as long as it does what pleases the USA and in return Turkey will be in the end allowed to annex North Cyprus?


If the two communities were integrated then Cypriots would stop fighting each other


Reading this forum, and others, I don't get that impression and have no doubt that neither does anyone else, unfortunately.

and they would soon notice that two parts of our island are still under colonial rule. The British and the Americans want us to have bigger problems to deal with so we will not bother them with the bases (because we would fear that trying to force the bases out would result in USA/UK taking an even more pro Turkish stance)


Having said what you said above, do you think that the USA & the EU can afford to be hostile against Turkey and tell her it's over re the EU accession talks?

For the Cyprus problem to be truly solved (i.e. Cyprus to be truly liberated), the balance of power should change in such a way that USA/UK and Turkey find themselves at opposite camps. Under such senario Cyprus could be liberated, and gain a decent level of freedom and independence (unlike the one forced on us in 1960).


With what's going on around the world and the USA & the EU being so dependent on the bases in Turkey, do you thing that it's possible for the USA/UK and Turkey to be in opposite camps in the near future?

Regarding what would happen if Turkey pulled out, this would depend on if she would pull out just militarily, or if she would totally give up any involvement in our island. But even in the best case scenario, there will still need to be some adjustment period. The TCs have been brainwashed for decades (since the 50s) that they are some super special kind of community that deserve disproportionally large amounts of power and even their own separate state on land stolen from us. It will take a while for them to get used to live peacefully as equal Cypriot citizens and realize that there is nothing special about their own ethnic minority, apart from the fact that they have been used by foreigners as the means and the excuse to divide Cyprus.


Is it not true that the Greek Cypriots were also brainwashed to demand enosis back in the 50's & 60's and also were forced by foreigners to take up arms against their own, both Greek and Turkish Cypriots?

And to answer the question in the title of this thread: No. Cyprus will not be unified any time soon unless something dramatic and unpredictable happens.


Thank you, one direct answer to my questions.
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Re: Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Postby ZoC » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:08 pm

JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency! :lol:


And then what, Cyprus is going to concentrate on just the Cyprus problem and forget about all the other problems the EU is facing?

Somehow I don't think the rest of the EU countries will be very pleased if the Greek Cypriots put everyone else's problems in the bottom draw and expect everyone to help them with their own.


jack, can i ask wot ur interest in cyprus is?
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Postby JackDoe » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:The question wasn't about what Turkey can do but how important Turkey's geographical position is important to the EU & the USA.

Unless you’re a Pitcairn island, the notion that one country’s geographical location is “better” than the rest is an old wife’s tale! Especially in the age of satellites, ICBM's, and other technologies.


So why then does the USA not just pull out of Turkey instead of still insisting that Turkey should be allowed to join the EU?

The new technology still is not able to transport soldiers and equipment without the use of military vehicles and with the oil price being so high don't you think that it makes more sense for the US to stay friendly with Turkey?
In that context, do you believe that Cyprus unification is so much more important that the EU will tell Turkey it's all over and she should go join her Muslim neighbors?

Turkey’s EU accession process WILL TERMINATE at the end of this year and there cannot and will not be any further extensions or special arrangements... she's already used them all up! The RoC’s two-year EU presidency at the worst possible moment for Turkey, will not be helping either! Her fallout with Israel and parlaying with Iran has further sealed off Turkey’s fate. It's OVER!


Have you heard something that no one else has?

Wealthier west? Greece, Spain, Ireland, probably the UK next with what's going on here at the moment, how many countries do you think the EU is capable of bailing out?

Huh? :?


Don't you really know what I am talking about or do you just do not want to get into that conversation?

Will there be any repercussions to Turkey if it does join the EU?

She cannot, it's over so there's no point in discussing the advantages of something that will never come to pass.


Well, yes, must admit that you are right, no point in discussing anything if one side refuses or is incapable of answering even the simplest questions.
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Re: Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Postby JackDoe » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:19 pm

ZoC wrote:
JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency! :lol:


And then what, Cyprus is going to concentrate on just the Cyprus problem and forget about all the other problems the EU is facing?

Somehow I don't think the rest of the EU countries will be very pleased if the Greek Cypriots put everyone else's problems in the bottom draw and expect everyone to help them with their own.


jack, can i ask wot ur interest in cyprus is?


It's an EU country and I am interested in what's going on in the EU.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:24 pm

jd the eu is not gonna dump turkey at anytime...the eu being a service economy needs a manufacturing hub and turkey today fills the role via the trade agreement...what will damage turkey in the long run is trade agreements with other countries...

for starters this trade agreement http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/im ... 69176.aspx has spooked turkey a little and a i say a little because sth korea is both a manufacturing hub and a service economy...

the eu is always looking to expand her economy for the benefit of her own... there was another trade agreement, don't quote me on this but i think mexico...this also spooked the turks as the trade agreements are in such a way that the countries that sign with the eu are also covering as far as importing but it does not extend to the signed countries...this exludes any agreements for instance turkey in exporting to sth korea...

if the eu tomorrow signs a trade agreement with china and they are talking btw, the turkey investment will be gone eastwards...living turkey out in the cold...

it is to turkey's best intereset in joining the eu provided she understands it's turkey joining the eu and not the eu joining turkey...until this happens turkey wil find herself out in the cold one sunny day blaming everyone except herself...

the reason turkey became a manufacturing hub is because business invested in turkey because of the trade agreement...big business will always look for investements with greater returns...now do you think if there was a trade agreement signed tomorrow between china and the eu, business will not pull out of turkey?...you know and i know turkey not only can't compete with china but china will run circles around turkey...

so yes today the eu will keep turkey on the sidelines...but i do see a problem arising with the roc taking the eu helm next year...i see turkey accession frozen...but the turks are proud people and it's anyones guess how they will react...
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Re: Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Postby ZoC » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:03 pm

JackDoe wrote:
ZoC wrote:
JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
JackDoe wrote:Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency! :lol:


And then what, Cyprus is going to concentrate on just the Cyprus problem and forget about all the other problems the EU is facing?

Somehow I don't think the rest of the EU countries will be very pleased if the Greek Cypriots put everyone else's problems in the bottom draw and expect everyone to help them with their own.


jack, can i ask wot ur interest in cyprus is?


It's an EU country and I am interested in what's going on in the EU.


which eu country are u from?
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Postby JackDoe » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:18 pm

boomerang wrote:jd the eu is not gonna dump turkey at anytime...the eu being a service economy needs a manufacturing hub and turkey today fills the role via the trade agreement...what will damage turkey in the long run is trade agreements with other countries...

for starters this trade agreement http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/im ... 69176.aspx has spooked turkey a little and a i say a little because sth korea is both a manufacturing hub and a service economy...

the eu is always looking to expand her economy for the benefit of her own... there was another trade agreement, don't quote me on this but i think mexico...this also spooked the turks as the trade agreements are in such a way that the countries that sign with the eu are also covering as far as importing but it does not extend to the signed countries...this exludes any agreements for instance turkey in exporting to sth korea...

if the eu tomorrow signs a trade agreement with china and they are talking btw, the turkey investment will be gone eastwards...living turkey out in the cold...

it is to turkey's best intereset in joining the eu provided she understands it's turkey joining the eu and not the eu joining turkey...until this happens turkey wil find herself out in the cold one sunny day blaming everyone except herself...

the reason turkey became a manufacturing hub is because business invested in turkey because of the trade agreement...big business will always look for investements with greater returns...now do you think if there was a trade agreement signed tomorrow between china and the eu, business will not pull out of turkey?...you know and i know turkey not only can't compete with china but china will run circles around turkey...

so yes today the eu will keep turkey on the sidelines...but i do see a problem arising with the roc taking the eu helm next year...i see turkey accession frozen...but the turks are proud people and it's anyones guess how they will react...


This is about the best reply I've had so far, thanks boomerang.

Another question, is it up to the EU presidency to freeze the accession talks with any country or is it a joint decision of all the EU countries?

An you are right, Turkey can't compete with China but Turkey being at the border of the EU, would it not be more profitable in the long run for big businesses to stay in Turkey and save on time and money transporting all the way from China?

OTOH, it might stop the Chinese flooding the worlds markets with cheap and dangerous products, or at least reduce it.
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