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[Kikapu]

You can think what you want Kikapu as we do not see eye to eye so what ever i say would not make the slightest bit of difference as you have clearly and firmly declared your allegiance to the GC cause of selling out the TCs.

If by me supporting Democracy, Human Rights and EU Principles means I'm selling out the TCs, then the whole western world are too selling out the TCs, as well as themselves, for them living with those principles.

If wanting for the TCs to live in a Democratic country to prosper in a "honest society" from the "corrupt society" in a welfare system of handouts that they now live under makes me guilty of selling the TCs out, then I plead guilty.

The ones who are really selling out the TCs, by denying them living in a Democratic and prosperous country are the ones who are afraid of losing their "spoils of war" bounty as well as any and all illegal activities they do right now, which are the reason why they do not want to be in the EU. All those whose first choice for a settlement is in the form of partition such as yourself, are the real guilty ones in selling out the TCs and their future.

We will never accept minority status in a GC state, we would rather become part of Turkey.

Just where do you get the "TCs being a minority in a GC state".??

OK, the TCs are a numerical minority, but where do you get the TCs being a minority in a GC state from. BBF will have 2 Federal states as well as the Federal government, so where is the GC state that the TCs are going to be a minority in. The north state will be a majority TCs, providing it is reduced from today's size by at least 50% and the south state will have majority GCs. The Federal government will have offices both in the south state and the north state. The states will have their own constitution which will make up 99% of all the laws locally for each state. The Federal government will have 50% representatives from each state at the upper house (political equality). So where is this TCs are a minority concerns in the above BBF.?

As for you wanting to be part of Turkey, that is your option, but it can only happen if you move to Turkey. Just how do you propose the north becoming part of Turkey, a EU territory?. The EU did not make Cyprus part of the EU if they had intentions on letting Turkey take part of it. If Turkey thought they can do that, it would have been done long before Cyprus became part of the EU. Now Turkey has ZERO chance annexing anything, other than all those TCs who may want to live in Turkey as a Turk.

[Mapko]

Island Turks hate mainland Turks - or at least the mainland Turks that were sent to the island - so becoming a Turk state would be one of the worst things that could happen to your community. None of the rich Turks would ever go anywhere near the island and the only Turks coming over would be more illiterate cavemen. This would further dirty your gene pool, making it more of a cess pool.

What the Greek Cypriots should avoid at all costs - and I'm surprised nobody has realised this - is the Turks getting into the EU. Once they become members of the EU, they will be allowed to move freely in and around other EU countries - Cyprus being one of them. Once this happens, I can see the South being swamped with mainland Turks and all Hell will break loose. Then we'll be sorry we got a unified island at any cost.

[Viewpoint]

You can think what you want Kikapu as we do not see eye to eye so what ever i say would not make the slightest bit of difference as you have clearly and firmly declared your allegiance to the GC cause of selling out the TCs.

If by me supporting Democracy, Human Rights and EU Principles means I'm selling out the TCs, then the whole western world are too selling out the TCs, as well as themselves, for them living with those principles.

If wanting for the TCs to live in a Democratic country to prosper in a "honest society" from the "corrupt society" in a welfare system of handouts that they now live under makes me guilty of selling the TCs out, then I plead guilty.

The ones who are really selling out the TCs, by denying them living in a Democratic and prosperous country are the ones who are afraid of losing their "spoils of war" bounty as well as any and all illegal activities they do right now, which are the reason why they do not want to be in the EU. All those whose first choice for a settlement is in the form of partition such as yourself, are the real guilty ones in selling out the TCs and their future.

We will never accept minority status in a GC state, we would rather become part of Turkey.

Just where do you get the "TCs being a minority in a GC state".??

OK, the TCs are a numerical minority, but where do you get the TCs being a minority in a GC state from. BBF will have 2 Federal states as well as the Federal government, so where is the GC state that the TCs are going to be a minority in. The north state will be a majority TCs, providing it is reduced from today's size by at least 50% and the south state will have majority GCs. The Federal government will have offices both in the south state and the north state. The states will have their own constitution which will make up 99% of all the laws locally for each state. The Federal government will have 50% representatives from each state at the upper house (political equality). So where is this TCs are a minority concerns in the above BBF.?

As for you wanting to be part of Turkey, that is your option, but it can only happen if you move to Turkey. Just how do you propose the north becoming part of Turkey, a EU territory?. The EU did not make Cyprus part of the EU if they had intentions on letting Turkey take part of it. If Turkey thought they can do that, it would have been done long before Cyprus became part of the EU. Now Turkey has ZERO chance annexing anything, other than all those TCs who may want to live in Turkey as a Turk.

All it will take is one seat lost from the north state and hey presto the TCs have no effective say and are reduced to minority status, people will not fall for you sell out plan.

The EU dont really care the edge of the GC south can easily be drawn at the green line and the north annexed to Turkey, never say never without a solution looks like the more likely scenario.

[Kikapu]

You can think what you want Kikapu as we do not see eye to eye so what ever i say would not make the slightest bit of difference as you have clearly and firmly declared your allegiance to the GC cause of selling out the TCs.

If by me supporting Democracy, Human Rights and EU Principles means I'm selling out the TCs, then the whole western world are too selling out the TCs, as well as themselves, for them living with those principles.

If wanting for the TCs to live in a Democratic country to prosper in a "honest society" from the "corrupt society" in a welfare system of handouts that they now live under makes me guilty of selling the TCs out, then I plead guilty.

The ones who are really selling out the TCs, by denying them living in a Democratic and prosperous country are the ones who are afraid of losing their "spoils of war" bounty as well as any and all illegal activities they do right now, which are the reason why they do not want to be in the EU. All those whose first choice for a settlement is in the form of partition such as yourself, are the real guilty ones in selling out the TCs and their future.

We will never accept minority status in a GC state, we would rather become part of Turkey.

Just where do you get the "TCs being a minority in a GC state".??

OK, the TCs are a numerical minority, but where do you get the TCs being a minority in a GC state from. BBF will have 2 Federal states as well as the Federal government, so where is the GC state that the TCs are going to be a minority in. The north state will be a majority TCs, providing it is reduced from today's size by at least 50% and the south state will have majority GCs. The Federal government will have offices both in the south state and the north state. The states will have their own constitution which will make up 99% of all the laws locally for each state. The Federal government will have 50% representatives from each state at the upper house (political equality). So where is this TCs are a minority concerns in the above BBF.?

As for you wanting to be part of Turkey, that is your option, but it can only happen if you move to Turkey. Just how do you propose the north becoming part of Turkey, a EU territory?. The EU did not make Cyprus part of the EU if they had intentions on letting Turkey take part of it. If Turkey thought they can do that, it would have been done long before Cyprus became part of the EU. Now Turkey has ZERO chance annexing anything, other than all those TCs who may want to live in Turkey as a Turk.

All it will take is one seat lost from the north state and hey presto the TCs have no effective say and are reduced to minority status, people will not fall for you sell out plan.

The EU dont really care the edge of the GC south can easily be drawn at the green line and the north annexed to Turkey, never say never without a solution looks like the more likely scenario.

If you are so concerned about losing any seats in the north, then return 50% of the land back. If you don't, then expect to lose more than one seat. Even then, nothing will change, since each state controls 99% of their own local laws.

The north is totally useless for Turkey to keep without the rest of Cyprus, so don't expect Turkey to even want to keep the north if she can't have all of Cyprus, and the EU is not going to give it to her. Besides, Turkey wants the EU more than she wants the north. Turkey will always be there in wanting the EU long after Erdogan is gone, if he personally doesn't want to be in the EU.

[mem101]

VP, the north will never be annexed to Turkey. Aside from the EU, the UN, the whole world, recognising that the RoC's sovereignty extends to the whole of Cyprus, TCs do not want to be a part of Turkey anyway. At least that much can be determined from the recent protests. Turkey could not annex the north even if she wanted to without further violating international law and alienating herself from her allies.

[Viewpoint]

Even if we returned 50% 1 seat will be the end of our effective say to no say full stop, to risky no thanks.

If Turkey wanted the whole island they would have taken it in 1974 and 37 years proves you do not know what you are talking about, even knowing Turkey has clearly stated many times that of forced they will always choose the TRNC over the EU, time you realized this fact.

[Viewpoint]

VP, the north will never be annexed to Turkey. Aside from the EU, the UN, the whole world, recognising that the RoC's sovereignty extends to the whole of Cyprus, TCs do not want to be a part of Turkey anyway. At least that much can be determined from the recent protests. Turkey could not annex the north even if she wanted to without further violating international law and alienating herself from her allies.

If the TCs were faced with the two options they would choose annexation thats how strongly they feel about not becoming a minority in a GC state with no effective say.

[mem101]

They would have more say in a united Cyprus than they would as a part of Turkey - Cyprus' population roughly one million, Turkey's roughly 70 million!

[Viewpoint]

They would have more say in a united Cyprus than they would as a part of Turkey - Cyprus' population roughly one million, Turkey's roughly 70 million!

Even taking that into account TCs would never accept living as minority under GC rule, they would rather accept the Turks. How else can i make you understand how strongly they feel about this issue, if they wanted such a set up they could have it today by moving south.

[Get Real!]

Even taking that into account TCs would never accept living as minority under GC rule, they would rather accept the Turks. How else can i make you understand how strongly they feel about this issue, if they wanted such a set up they could have it today by moving south.

Are you saying they would be UNABLE to blend in with the rest of the Cypriots and get on with life?