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[NEVERSAYNEVER]

I wish to ask Birkibrisly if he understands the reasons why the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece
he would not argue that the vast majority of the Cypriot people were influenced by Greece and not Turkey , this is an irrefutable fact ,you can not erase an influence of more than 3 thousand years and replace it with one that embraces the Relatively new to Cyprus T/Cs, these are facts that no one can
deny . The fact that the GCs of today , the majority I should say , have discovered an identity that although was very much alive in the past had However remained subdued , today Cyprus has it's own persona , more and more Cypriots are proclaiming Cyprus as the true motherland .
We can not move an inch forward unless we ditch the destructive elements responsible for the division of our people
It saddens me that Birkibrisly has formed an opinion based upon CY forum , and I wish to pose this question to him,
have you been influenced in any positive way EVER by a GC either on this forum or elsewhere ? And if so why not use this as the measuring criteria of the GCs views and not some extremist nationalistic views that are expressed on this forum by some
do you consider Sir that the Forums opinions are repressentative of those opinions held by the majority if GCs ? Mayo also ask , have any GCs on this forum affected your views in a positive fashion ?

[Get Real!]

I wish to ask Birkibrisly if he understands the reasons why the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece

No PLEASE you don't!!!!

We've gone over and over the same old shit for 5 years now!


People, enough of this enosis shit!

Let's move on...

[DTA]

Neversay please stick around, and things will become clearer. And there are some great gc formerS on here which make me believe that one day we could have a united Cyprus, unfortunately there are also others who do the opposite.

[NEVERSAYNEVER]

I wish to ask Birkibrisly if he understands the reasons why the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece

No PLEASE you don't!!!!

We've gone over and over the same old shit for 5 years now!


People, enough of this enosis shit!

Let's move on...

Sir , it might be " shit" to you but the impact of this idea was the driving force behind the struggle against imperialism , the goal in my opinion was wrong but perfectly understandable given the set of circumstances at the time . No political parties apart from the unions , no driving leadership apart from the Church , the Cypruot people mere embrios in a political sense , enosis was seen as the only solution at the time , I'm pleased that it was never achieved and I'm pleased to see the Cypriot people endeavouring for total independence .

[supporttheunderdog]

I wish to ask Birkibrisly if he understands the reasons why the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece

No PLEASE you don't!!!!

We've gone over and over the same old shit for 5 years now!


People, enough of this enosis shit!

Let's move on...

Here Here GR!

IMHO Enosis was a non starter - even in 1955 it was probably clear the Turks wern't going to wear it and any serious attempt to acheive it would likely have lead to invasion, as it did in 1974, following the Greek inspired coup.

Let everyone express their regrets for the past, in particular for the many dead, and learn the lessons so Cyprus can move forward.

[Piratis]

I wish to ask Birkibrisly if he understands the reasons why the GCs wanted Enosis with Greece

No PLEASE you don't!!!!

We've gone over and over the same old shit for 5 years now!


People, enough of this enosis shit!

Let's move on...

Here Here GR!

IMHO Enosis was a non starter - even in 1955 it was probably clear the Turks wern't going to wear it and any serious attempt to acheive it would likely have lead to invasion, as it did in 1974, following the Greek inspired coup.

Let everyone express their regrets for the past, in particular for the many dead, and learn the lessons so Cyprus can move forward.

Turkey had no interests in Cyprus until she was enticed by the British.

The lesson to be learned is that foreigner imperialists have no morals and will do everything to serve their own interests.

What other lesson is there? That when slaves revolt to seek their freedom and their rights that their "master" will try to oppress their revolution and punish them? We learned this "lesson" centuries ago, but this will never stop us for fighting for our rights and freedom. Sorry if we are not the good obedient slaves (i.e. Bananiots) that you want us to be.

[mem101]

[quote="NEVERSAYNEVER"]more and more Cypriots are proclaiming Cyprus as the true motherland .
We can not move an inch forward unless we ditch the destructive elements responsible for the division of our people[/quote]


Hear, hear!

[Hermes]

Bir,

The highest institutional figure in the RoC, the president himself, said repeatedly that GCs were wrong and committed vile acts against the TCs in the past. So how much more explicit can the recognition of the past be?

On the other hand, the ferocity and desruction of 1974 and the 36 years of partition cannot be seen as commensurate payback for the mistreatment of 1963-1968. Something else is going on. Some of us understand the meaning of statements made by Turkish officials, such as:

"IF the Greeks had accepted our proposals in Geneva we would not have had Attila II and kill 4500 people" Bulent Ecevit.

"What if people leave. We have plenty of people to put there to replace those that leave" Erdoghan reacting to the flight of TCs from the "liberated" north. What do you think he is saying about TCs?

"We got what we wanted without returning an inch of territory or removing a single soldier" Erdoghan at Brikentstok. Is he thinking conquest or "peace operation"?

"Turkey would be involved in CYprus even if there was not a single moslem there" Davutoglu. Does he give a damn about TCs?

I am sure you can see the policy implicit in the above statements. And while I agree with the view that the GCs were at fault in 1963, and yes GCs have a duty to their TC compatriots, I reckon they also have a right to survive on the island. And in view of the above statements, survival in the post 1974 years has been made by Turkish and TC attitudes more important than bicommunal rapprochement.

Judging from the talks it is clear, to me anyway, that the GC side is showing more empathy for the preoccupations of the TC community than the other way round. TCs are happy to identify fully with the policy of Turkey on Cyprus refusing to yield on points that if not as compatriots, then as partners in a future BBF, they should understand, things like the settlers and the granting of nationalities.

The demos last month are no indication of a turnabout by the TCs, but at least they show that some of them see the peril of being victims of the Turkish plan for lebensraum.

Excellent post.

[Viewpoint]

Good post, although I will say again that if you ask VP his opinion he will say that he too agrees with a BBF and political equality - he has been labeled a partitionist simply because he fights the fire of bigotry (of some) GC on here with fire.

u got it all wrong. being anti vp, and wot he stands for, has nothing to do with bigotry.

Go ahead and tell everyone what VP stands for in relation to the Cyprus issue? I bet you dont know.

[kurupetos]

Bir,

The highest institutional figure in the RoC, the president himself, said repeatedly that GCs were wrong and committed vile acts against the TCs in the past. So how much more explicit can the recognition of the past be?

On the other hand, the ferocity and desruction of 1974 and the 36 years of partition cannot be seen as commensurate payback for the mistreatment of 1963-1968. Something else is going on. Some of us understand the meaning of statements made by Turkish officials, such as:

"IF the Greeks had accepted our proposals in Geneva we would not have had Attila II and kill 4500 people" Bulent Ecevit.

"What if people leave. We have plenty of people to put there to replace those that leave" Erdoghan reacting to the flight of TCs from the "liberated" north. What do you think he is saying about TCs?

"We got what we wanted without returning an inch of territory or removing a single soldier" Erdoghan at Brikentstok. Is he thinking conquest or "peace operation"?

"Turkey would be involved in CYprus even if there was not a single moslem there" Davutoglu. Does he give a damn about TCs?

I am sure you can see the policy implicit in the above statements. And while I agree with the view that the GCs were at fault in 1963, and yes GCs have a duty to their TC compatriots, I reckon they also have a right to survive on the island. And in view of the above statements, survival in the post 1974 years has been made by Turkish and TC attitudes more important than bicommunal rapprochement.

Judging from the talks it is clear, to me anyway, that the GC side is showing more empathy for the preoccupations of the TC community than the other way round. TCs are happy to identify fully with the policy of Turkey on Cyprus refusing to yield on points that if not as compatriots, then as partners in a future BBF, they should understand, things like the settlers and the granting of nationalities.

The demos last month are no indication of a turnabout by the TCs, but at least they show that some of them see the peril of being victims of the Turkish plan for lebensraum.

Excellent post.

What's excellent about trite remarks? We need action!