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[ZoC]

I have more than 1 GC friend and we get along real well.

i seriously doubt this... if only ur friends knew u, like the forum knows u...

[B25]

I have more than 1 GC friend and we get along real well.

i seriously doubt this... if only ur friends knew u, like the forum knows u...

That can only be Bananiotoglu, another racist, facist bigot.

[Viewpoint]

I have more than 1 GC friend and we get along real well.

i seriously doubt this... if only ur friends knew u, like the forum knows u...

That can only be Bananiotoglu, another racist, facist bigot.

You talk a load of crap.

[Kikapu]

Jack the Ripper was also a surgeon, its no the knife=democracy thats the important its how you use it and we do not trust the GC surgeon.

Total gibberish.

I tell you what. Why don't you tell the RoC how you can implement Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles since you don't trust the GCs to do it. Come to think of it, why don't you tell us here on the CF how you would implement the above principles. Lets here you.

Next point you raised, we all know you so desperately want to throw the AP in the bin but it is the basis for the current talks so in reality it is still alive and kicking.

Do I look desperate.?:lol:

You can have any label you want on the cover of the settlement plan, I really couldn't give a toss. If it makes you feel better, you can even have it called the "Annan Plan". I'm not in the habit of judging a book by it's cover, but only it's content. What you can't have are the main articles in the 2004 AP that will not pass the EU Principles today. As I've said, your best option was in 2004 and you blew it big time. you have just as much chance of the 2004 AP coming back as the second coming of Christ. The Christians too await his return for the past 2011 years, and has not returned yet, but give them credit, they pray very hard every day, that he will. You have a lot of catching up to do , so get on your knees already.

You are more Greek than the Greek Cypriots has you have time and time again revealed that you support the GC viewpoint which is to turn the island into a greek island with the Tcs as just another minority, your plan also supports this fact.

I'm a Cypriot. Greeks are from Greece and they can stay there as far as I'm concerned, just as all the settlers and their sympathisers can also return and stay in Turkey. What I support are the western principles of Democracy, and if the GCs should support my views as well as any TCs, all the better. Why would I support Racist fascism that you support over the EU principles. As Erdogan would say, "Who the hell do you think you are.?":lol:

I have more than 1 GC friend and we get along real well.

That's funny, because not one GC on the CF ever claimed you as a friend. Not even Bananiot, as you have claimed him to be your friend here on the forum. I know Bananiot may have made an irrational voting choice regarding the AP in 2004, but he is not freaking crazy to declare a little Racist Fascist Prick like you as his friend on the CF, as he does many times with Halil.

All your arguments are elongated crap as you clutch at straws to try dismiss my valid and though provoking debates.

You don't have "valid and though provoking debates". The only debate you think you have, can ONLY be MassDebating with yourself.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

I tell you what. Why don't you tell the RoC how you can implement Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles since you don't trust the GCs to do it. Come to think of it, why don't you tell us here on the CF how you would implement the above principles. Lets here you.

With TCs in the equation it can only be BBF with guaranteed political equality of the two states, at federal level neither side can force the other to accept laws or developments, each side has the right to say no.
Everyone should be allowed to reside under which ever administration the wish. One man one vote should be cast country wide to determine the top tier GC and TC MP to represent the states in both houses. The lower house should be based on proportional representation and the upper house balanced 50% 50% with require minimum votes from both states to get bills through the lower and upper houses.

Do I look desperate.?

Yes

You can have any label you want on the cover of the settlement plan, I really couldn't give a toss. If it makes you feel better, you can even have it called the "Annan Plan". I'm not in the habit of judging a book by it's cover, but only it's content. What you can't have are the main articles in the 2004 AP that will not pass the EU Principles today. As I've said, your best option was in 2004 and you blew it big time. you have just as much chance of the 2004 AP coming back as the second coming of Christ. The Christians too await his return for the past 2011 years, and has not returned yet, but give them credit, they pray very hard every day, that he will. You have a lot of catching up to do , so get on your knees already.

You change like the wind the name of the plan is irrelevant but when it doesn't suit you or you are cornered you wiggle like a belly dancer and try to deflect from the subject, the basis of the AP as we know it will be on which any new agreements are built, time you admitted this fact, a few changes will be made to get the GC yes and not turn the TCs into a No and the EU and UN will rubber stamp it like they did before.

Your arrogance has also dropped you right in it with Christians well done you must be real proud.

I'm a Cypriot. Greeks are from Greece and they can stay there as far as I'm concerned, just as all the settlers and their sympathisers can also return and stay in Turkey. What I support are the western principles of Democracy, and if the GCs should support my views as well as any TCs, all the better. Why would I support Racist fascism that you support over the EU principles. As Erdogan would say, "Who the hell do you think you are.?"

No who the hell are you? you dont even live on the island or have any real connection at best you are a bad tourist who only visits the south.
You are more GC than a Cypriot of Turkish origin, a lost sole who will be an armchair critic in a foreign land telling us that we wrong, No who the fuck do you think you are?

That's funny, because not one GC on the CF ever claimed you as a friend. Not even Bananiot, as you have claimed him to be your friend here on the forum. I know Bananiot may have made an irrational voting choice regarding the AP in 2004, but he is not freaking crazy to declare a little Racist Fascist Prick like you as his friend on the CF, as he does many times with Halil.

The world is not on this forum as you might think in your narrow minded head, I have plenty of friends of many nationalities so your opinion is worthless.

You don't have "valid and though provoking debates". The only debate you think you have, can ONLY be MassDebating with yourself.

You wouldn't know if it ran you over as you think placing perverted sexual analogy on things makes you smart. It just makes you into a moronic pervert.

[BirKibrisli]

I have bad news for some of you...VP's views are representative of the majority of the TCs both inside and outside the trnc...I know you'd like to point to recent protests and banners and say 'look the TCs want Turkey out',but that only indicates your wishful thinking...Rauf Denktash's wife was at the last meeting,and he himself said he would've been there had he known the protests would be peaceful...Now you can't possible claim Papa Denktash wants Turkey out of Cyprus...

The meeting was largely about the economic package,plus the heavy handed and undemocratic way the AKP government is going about implementing it...Sure there were those who took the opportunity to shout anti-Turkish slogans,but they were the know minority called the Jasmin Movement,whose candidate scored about 1% of the votes at the last elections...

The GCs have only themselves to blame if the majority of TCs are still suspicious of their motives...Can you blame us when you have people insisting that Cyprus is a Greek island,and only the GCs will have a say in her destiny??? You had the reins of power (which you stole from the TCs back in 1963) for nearly 50 years...You did nothing in all that time to bring about trust,understanding,respect,let alone empathy and compassion...You have proved time and time again that the ENOSIS spirit is alive and well,and you are still hell bent on 'crush trough or crush' strategy of forcing your Greekness down the throuts of the TCs..Are you surprised they keep spitting it back into your faces???

The TCs will only trust you when you stop this 'Cyprus is Greek' nonsense,
embrace them as equal Cypriots with as much say in their own destiny as you have in yours...Accept the spirit of the 1960 agreements which is accepting the TC community as equal partners in the RoC,stop being so bloodyminded about 'majority rule' which for the TCs mean 'Greek cypriot oppression' and there might be some hope of reunication in our lifetime...

[Hermes]

The meeting was largely about the economic package,plus the heavy handed and undemocratic way the AKP government is going about implementing it...Sure there were those who took the opportunity to shout anti-Turkish slogans,but they were the know minority called the Jasmin Movement,whose candidate scored about 1% of the votes at the last elections...

"Meeting"? You mean the biggest ever protest in the occupied areas?

Your own community rouses itself to protest a threat to its very survival. A threat they deem comes from Turkey's policies in the north. Economic policies which threaten them with dependance and poverty; and immigration policies that swamp them with foreign elements. And you, a Turkish Cypriot, albeit living abroad, dismiss them as a disgruntled minority having a "meeting".

Nice work. Don't you feel ever so slightly ashamed to have such a low opinion of your fellow T/Cs?

[Viewpoint]

Great post Bir but it appears to fall on death ears as GCs are still engrossed in turning the whole island into a Greek island which we will do anything to stop as this would mean our death warrant as you know Turks are preferred to GCs.

[NEVERSAYNEVER]

I have bad news for some of you...VP's views are representative of the majority of the TCs both inside and outside the trnc...I know you'd like to point to recent protests and banners and say 'look the TCs want Turkey out',but that only indicates your wishful thinking...Rauf Denktash's wife was at the last meeting,and he himself said he would've been there had he known the protests would be peaceful...Now you can't possible claim Papa Denktash wants Turkey out of Cyprus...

The meeting was largely about the economic package,plus the heavy handed and undemocratic way the AKP government is going about implementing it...Sure there were those who took the opportunity to shout anti-Turkish slogans,but they were the know minority called the Jasmin Movement,whose candidate scored about 1% of the votes at the last elections...


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Sir , I have read a few of your posts I have also read some by VP , the distinct difference between you and VP is that where you believe that unification is possible and desirable VP does not , where you also commit your self to the island of Cyprus , VP does not , where you believe that the G/Cs and T/Cs can share this island VP is committed to permanent partition
he also considers the ROC as a foreign country with which he wants nothing to do with , you don't Sir . Your views may be interwinef with some of VPs
but they are nit compatible , your signature says much about your views .
You talk if empathy , VP NEVER !!!
With due respect Sir you are not a VP !
May I also agree with you that many GCs consider CYprus as another GReek island , I do not by the way but I understand the reasons why they do so , the island has been under Greek influnce for a few thousand years , there is justification as why the erroneous perception is so deep rooted but um sure that youvwill agree that Cypriotness is a force that is growing amongst both communities , having read some of your posts I would wager a bet that YOU consider the island of CYprus rather than Turkey as your true motherland , NOT VP I think!!
Most of the T/Cs that I know have views differing from those expressed by VP . May I also express my support for those Cypriots who justifiably gave reservations against unification , wanting guarantees etc , I understand their concerns in view of the dreadful events that took place in the past , empathy is what is required , both communities suffered a great deal !


The GCs have only themselves to blame if the majority of TCs are still suspicious of their motives...Can you blame us when you have people insisting that Cyprus is a Greek island,and only the GCs will have a say in her destiny??? You had the reins of power (which you stole from the TCs back in 1963) for nearly 50 years...You did nothing in all that time to bring about trust,understanding,respect,let alone empathy and compassion...You have proved time and time again that the ENOSIS spirit is alive and well,and you are still hell bent on 'crush trough or crush' strategy of forcing your Greekness down the throuts of the TCs..Are you surprised they keep spitting it back into your faces???

The TCs will only trust you when you stop this 'Cyprus is Greek' nonsense,
embrace them as equal Cypriots with as much say in their own destiny as you have in yours...Accept the spirit of the 1960 agreements which is accepting the TC community as equal partners in the RoC,stop being so bloodyminded about 'majority rule' which for the TCs mean 'Greek cypriot oppression' and there might be some hope of reunication in our lifetime...

[BirKibrisli]

The meeting was largely about the economic package,plus the heavy handed and undemocratic way the AKP government is going about implementing it...Sure there were those who took the opportunity to shout anti-Turkish slogans,but they were the know minority called the Jasmin Movement,whose candidate scored about 1% of the votes at the last elections...

"Meeting"? You mean the biggest ever protest in the occupied areas?

Your own community rouses itself to protest a threat to its very survival. A threat they deem comes from Turkey's policies in the north. Economic policies which threaten them with dependance and poverty; and immigration policies that swamp them with foreign elements. And you, a Turkish Cypriot, albeit living abroad, dismiss them as a disgruntled minority having a "meeting".

Nice work. Don't you feel ever so slightly ashamed to have such a low opinion of your fellow T/Cs?

In Turkish a 'miting' is a protest march,Hermes...I meant to say a 'miting' and it came out as 'meeting'...I am totally bilingual,so I sometimes don't even realise I am using the wrong word in the other language...

I don't have low opinion of the TCs...You would like to put your own biased opinion on what this 'protest march/meetings' was all about...And I am simply telling you you are wrong...These meetings were organised by the federation of TC trade unions,to protest against the austerity package and the way it is introduced and implemented by Turkish insistance...One well known minority movement joined the march for their own reasons and made their own points,which are perfectly legitimate in a democracy...Make no mistake about this...The democracy in the trnc is much more advanced than that of Turkey...That is why Erdogan and Co could not accept being criticised in such a robost manner...If tommorow the Jasmin Movement organised a protest march against Turkey's presence in Cyprus,I am sure no more than 5000 people would turn up...That is how it is...You can take or leave it and believe what you want to believe...The choice is yours...