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Again you are wrong the protests were not about the new generation TCs but the new economic measures being implemented on public sector workers and the amount of say Turkey the piper has in the TRNC.

Are you denying there is any conflict or antipathy between the minority T/Cs and the majority settlers? And why are T/Cs complaining about the "amount of say" Turkey has in the north? What say do the T/Cs actually have in the north?

Due to the inhumane embargoes placed on us by the GCs we are left in a position of financial dependency on Turkey so you can work out how much say they have. As for the new generation TCs we have near enough no friction with them unlike the problems we had with GCs.

[Hermes]

Due to the inhumane embargoes placed on us by the GCs we are left in a position of financial dependency on Turkey so you can work out how much say they have. As for the new generation TCs we have near enough no friction with them unlike the problems we had with GCs.

The economic embargoes on the north are not placed by G/Cs. They are enforced by the international community and are directed against the pseudo state and Turkey's control of it. They will end once Turkey withdraws from northern Cyprus.

As for the settlers, are you saying there are no tensions and dissatisfaction within the indigenous Turkish Cypriot population towards the settlers? Are you saying that T/Cs do not view them as a foreign element?

Also, do you think the presence of the settlers constitutes an important obstacle to a peaceful negotiated solution of the Cyprus problem?

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Hermes

The embargoes will end once Turkey withdraws from northern Cyprus. It's really that simple. They are embargoes enforced by the international community against the pseudo state and Turkey's control of it.

The TA will go we agree there but where we disagree is that you want them to go without finding a solution which you can understand we find puts us in grave danger but maybe thats exactly what you want.

And the international community is influenced by the GCs and their false claims of sole representation. Do you understand that by trying to force us to capitulate to your minimalistic demands by using embargoes you force us closer to Turkey and their control therefore away from middle ground with yourselves?

As for the settlers, are you saying there are no tensions and dissatisfaction within the indigenous Turkish Cypriot population towards the settlers? Are you saying that T/Cs do not view them as a foreign element?

Look at it from this angle we have been living, marrying, working, socializing and studying with new generation TCs and Turks in Turkey for over 50 years so we have a strong bond, of course we have occasional problems but dont you with pAs for the settlers, are you saying there are no tensions and dissatisfaction within the indigenous Turkish Cypriot population towards the settlers? Are you saying that T/Cs do not view them as a foreign element? Pontian Greeks, but if we place a value on problems we had with GCs as 100 the new generation Tcs are approximately 5, now do you understand the difference?

Also, do you think the presence of the settlers constitutes an important obstacle to a peaceful negotiated solution of the Cyprus problem?

No I dont if we deal with the issue humanely then we can resolve this issue.

[Hermes]

The TA will go we agree there but where we disagree is that you want them to go without finding a solution which you can understand we find puts us in grave danger but maybe thats exactly what you want.

And the international community is influenced by the GCs and their false claims of sole representation. Do you understand that by trying to force us to capitulate to your minimalistic demands by using embargoes you force us closer to Turkey and their control therefore away from middle ground with yourselves?

If there were no embargoes do you think the T/Cs would want unification with the South? Of course not. Do you think Turkey wants to lift the embargoes to allow for re-unification of the island? Don't make me laugh.

Look at it from this angle we have been living, marrying, working, socializing and studying with new generation TCs and Turks in Turkey for over 50 years so we have a strong bond, of course we have occasional problems.

So you don't think that T/Cs have any cause to complain about the influx of settlers to the north? You don't think it's a problem that T/Cs have been reduced to a minority in the north and that their "leader" has been elected as a result of votes by settlers? You don't think it's a problem that T/Cs have no voice in the north?

No I dont if we deal with the issue humanely then we can resolve this issue.

Do you think that settlers are likely to vote for a solution that involves the majority having to return to Turkey?

[ZoC]

Due to the inhumane embargoes placed on us by the GCs we are left in a position of financial dependency on Turkey so you can work out how much say they have. As for the new generation TCs we have near enough no friction with them unlike the problems we had with GCs.

due to the inhumane embargoes placed on displaced cypriots (of non muslim origin) by turkey's northern latrine (sorry, regime) we are left in a position where refugees cannot enjoy their homes; so u can imagine how much say they have in ensuring the latrine (sorry, regime) remains completely isolated from the world. as for the new generation of settlers imported illegitimately to cyprus's shores, introducing more turds to the latrine just makes the mess all the more difficult to clean up. talk about shitting on ur own doorstep.

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Due to the inhumane embargoes placed on us by the GCs we are left in a position of financial dependency on Turkey so you can work out how much say they have. As for the new generation TCs we have near enough no friction with them unlike the problems we had with GCs.

due to the inhumane embargoes placed on displaced cypriots (of non muslim origin) by turkey's northern latrine (sorry, regime) we are left in a position where refugees cannot enjoy their homes; so u can imagine how much say they have in ensuring the latrine (sorry, regime) remains completely isolated from the world. as for the new generation of settlers imported illegitimately to cyprus's shores, introducing more turds to the latrine just makes the mess all the more difficult to clean up. talk about shitting on ur own doorstep.

Lifes a bugger, when you realize we are equal partners and start to compromise then maybe we will get somewhere otherwise you can FO your posts are shit.

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Hermes

If there were no embargoes do you think the T/Cs would want unification with the South? Of course not. Do you think Turkey wants to lift the embargoes to allow for re-unification of the island? Don't make me laugh.

We are not talking recognition but economic measures to allow us to move away from Turkey and closer to the south.

So you don't think that T/Cs have any cause to complain about the influx of settlers to the north? You don't think it's a problem that T/Cs have been reduced to a minority in the north and that their "leader" has been elected as a result of votes by settlers? You don't think it's a problem that T/Cs have no voice in the north?

Seeing there is no sign of a solution and we are all TCs new and old generation theres no problem.

Do you think that settlers are likely to vote for a solution that involves the majority having to return to Turkey?

We both know it will never come to that GCs are not clever enough.

[Hermes]

We are not talking recognition but economic measures to allow us to move away from Turkey and closer to the south.

Turkey created the illegal situation in northern Cyprus that led to European Court of Justice decisions which have determined restrictions on exports from the occupied areas of Cyprus; and it is this illegal situation which prevents the implementation of the EU acquis communautaire in northern Cyprus. Turkey also prevents the export of Turkish Cypriot goods and services through the legal ports and airports in the government-controlled areas. If you want to end the embargoes then protest to your leadership and Ankara.

Seeing there is no sign of a solution and we are all TCs new and old generation theres no problem.

I'm afraid that isn't borne out by the facts. Low-paid settlers from Turkey, who currently outnumber Turkish Cypriots, have pushed Turkish Cypriots out of the labour market causing much of their relative economic deprivation. What do you think the protests are about?

We both know it will never come to that GCs are not clever enough.

G/Cs are clever enough to have negotiated membership of the EU, to hold Turkey's European destiny in their hands and to have confirmed their legal sovereignty over the island. Just how dumb do you think this makes Turkey look?

[ZoC]

Due to the inhumane embargoes placed on us by the GCs we are left in a position of financial dependency on Turkey so you can work out how much say they have. As for the new generation TCs we have near enough no friction with them unlike the problems we had with GCs.

due to the inhumane embargoes placed on displaced cypriots (of non muslim origin) by turkey's northern latrine (sorry, regime) we are left in a position where refugees cannot enjoy their homes; so u can imagine how much say they have in ensuring the latrine (sorry, regime) remains completely isolated from the world. as for the new generation of settlers imported illegitimately to cyprus's shores, introducing more turds to the latrine just makes the mess all the more difficult to clean up. talk about shitting on ur own doorstep.

Lifes a bugger, when you realize we are equal partners and start to compromise then maybe we will get somewhere otherwise you can FO your posts are shit.

my posts are aimed at shit.

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Hermes

Turkey created the illegal situation in northern Cyprus that led to European Court of Justice decisions which have determined restrictions on exports from the occupied areas of Cyprus; and it is this illegal situation which prevents the implementation of the EU acquis communautaire in northern Cyprus. Turkey also prevents the export of Turkish Cypriot goods and services through the legal ports and airports in the government-controlled areas. If you want to end the embargoes then protest to your leadership and Ankara.

No it was your enosis dream which triggered off the current situation and guarantees the embargoes are enforced on the TRNC. Do you understand that you are cutting off your nose despite your face?

I'm afraid that isn't borne out by the facts. Low-paid settlers from Turkey, who currently outnumber Turkish Cypriots, have pushed Turkish Cypriots out of the labour market causing much of their relative economic deprivation. What do you think the protests are about?

Old generation TCs will not do the work the new generation are prepared to take on so there is no clash there. The protests are about more money and keep the life style they are used to.

G/Cs are clever enough to have negotiated membership of the EU, to hold Turkey's European destiny in their hands and to have confirmed their legal sovereignty over the island. Just how dumb do you think this makes Turkey look?

Enough being the major word here, GCs are not clever enough to ever find a solution.