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[BirKibrisli]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Attacking GCs, killing innocent people, burning down shops and homes, demanding the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, collaborating with the imperialists to deny to Cypriots their right to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, imposing on us by brute force and blackmail a racist constitution, refusing to even discuss changes to the racist undemocratic constitution you imposed, helping Turkey to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people, illegally occupying our lands for decades, selling off those lands to foreigners, importing illegal foreign Settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage, violating our human rights, violating international law ...

I am innocent of all of the above,Piratis...And so are 95% of Turkish Cypriots...And you know it...I won't bother replying to you...Please read my responses to the bigots above...It applies perfectly to you as well...

But in your case,you have an excuse for your fanatical GC stand...YOU GET PAID FOR IT...

[ZoC]

You are a breath of fresh air,JackDoe...Don't you dare disappear now...We need you to tell us these things,because some people here are really believing their own propaganda...

...We need people like you to look at us here with fresh eyes,and tell us without fear or favour what we are doing wrong...

lord save cyprus from any more clueless, 'well-meaning' brits who think they know best.

Cyprus need saving from prejudiced bigots who think they are whiter than white...The Brits cannot do us any more harm,

they've done quite enough damage already, thanks.

but can help us by showing us where we are going wrong...Unless you happen to believe your side did nothing wrong,and you would do it all over again...That's an idea,Mal...Tell us what,if anything, you would do differently given another chance to go back to the 50s onwards....

can't speak for mal (although wot a star... wish he woz still around) but i wasn't around in the 50s. if i had been i'd have probably left the island 'cos it wouldn't have been a safe place for an outspoken, headstrong maverick like me. i'd like to think i'd have been far sighted enough not to get caught up in all the enosis fervour... however, having said that, cyprus at the time was too small, too strategic and too vulnerable to go it alone - and the eu hadn't been invented yet - so i can understand why the majority of cypriots wanted to attach themselves to a larger country with whom they felt most comfortable and safe. anything to get away from former colonialists.

Agreed about the British,they did enough damage...But it doesn't mean all should be condemned...There are intelligent British people with a strong social conscience who are interested in our plight,so we should not lock them out,imho...

I think I also agree with you that it wouldnt have been easy for a GC to get away from Enosis fever...Now you need to realise that it would've been even harder for a TC to get away from Taksim fever,once the Enosis fever was unleashed..

We must really stop blaming each other,Mala (I like that name so even if you are not him,do you mind me calling you that?)...And you must stop saying I am only trying to justify the events of 74...Nothing is further from the truth...We mustn't stifle dialogue before it even starts...Try to imagine this...If as you say,and I agree,that the majority of Cypriots wanted to attach themselves to a larger country they felt comfortable and safe with,what about the more vulnerable minority of Cypriots? didnt they have the need to attach themselves to a country they felt safe and comfortable with???

sure, but they attached themselves to former ruthless and exploitative colonialists from only a few decades previously. if u'd chosen... i dunno... switzerland or begium, then everything would have been cool.

Once you accept that,and stop blaming the TCs for aiding and abetting Turkey,we can start having a sensible dialogue...

sure, but the fact is, u did aid and abet a former despised colonialist... as well as the, at the time, incumbent one (ie britain).

Ordinary Cypriots are the victims of this saga,and until we see that and show some understanding,empathy and compassion for each other,we will be sitting ducks for anyone who wnats to keep us divided...

birk. problem is there are two main types of tc.

1. those descended from the ottomans, former colonialists. difficult for people to understand and empathise with former colonialists. cypriots aren't unique in this. and, in any event, turkey continues to colonise to this very day so u belong to a nation which continues to be culpable. see the problem?

2. those descended from locals who converted to islam to avoid taxation/persecution during the arduous years of ottoman rule; ie. those who turned their back on their history, traditions and belief systems for the sake of an easy life. again, difficult for people to understand and empathise with such a shallow group of turncoats lacking in conviction.

so that's the issue. tcs today need to stop bitching and wailing (or in the case of vp, behaving in a contemptible manner) and work REALLY, REALLY hard to earn some understanding, empathy and compassion; having some self respect would help.

those brave tcs who flew the flag of the republic at the recent demonstrations in the north had the right idea.

sure, but they attached themselves to former ruthless and exploitative colonialists from only a few decades previously. if u'd chosen... i dunno... switzerland or begium, then everything would have been cool.

I stopped reading just about here,Mala...You understand the need for GCs to attach temselves to Greece,but you wanted the TCs to attack themselves to switzerland or Belgium....or The Iceland or whatever...You are either taking the Mickey or you are totally lost in your deluded,prejudiced mind...There is not much point talking sense to you...

shame. the best bits came later on... still, attaching urselves to former colonialists was never going to win u any sympathy, so the point's a valid one.

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

All true and correct and I support your argument.

However, this is precisely what your representative is doing in 2011 to the rest of us. What you have said was then what I am pointing out is now. We need to leave all that behind and for Eroglu to decide whether he wants to be a Turk or a cypriot that is the essence of the issue right now.

Andreas,
If everyone showed as much understanding,empathy and compassion as you do,we would be living in a Unitary state with full democracy by now...But just read the comments of those crazy bigots above...Do you blame any TC for NOT wanting to put their trust in them????

[BirKibrisli]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Your crimes. Let's see:

1. You opposed the will of 82% of the country! Who the hell are you?
2. You refuse to acknowledge that 1960 was coerced. How stupid are you?
3. You refused to discuss the 63 ideas? You didn't. Turkey did & shut you up.
4. Enclaves. You did it to yourselves. Self-segregation the UNSG said. http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/was ... nal-t.html
5. Fighting coup leaders? You should have but won't hold it against you. You allowed Turkey to do what she did and for that I should want to see you burn in hell. Instead I will give you the option to negotiate your way back to the RoC. Study 1963 first: http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html
6. Not wanting to hear the word Turkish. You can believe your own crap if that makes you happy.

Read me more here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html
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Okey...We have established who you are...A fascist,fanatical GC propagandist...Next idiot please!

Evening all..............WTF!!!!!! ............

You are not an idiot,Bill...So go away!

[Hermes]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Attacking GCs, killing innocent people, burning down shops and homes, demanding the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, collaborating with the imperialists to deny to Cypriots their right to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, imposing on us by brute force and blackmail a racist constitution, refusing to even discuss changes to the racist undemocratic constitution you imposed, helping Turkey to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people, illegally occupying our lands for decades, selling off those lands to foreigners, importing illegal foreign Settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage, violating our human rights, violating international law ...

I am innocent of all of the above ... And so are 95% of Turkish Cypriots...

It's astonishing how all of these crimes have been committed in the north and continue to be committed right under your noses and yet no-one in the north lifts a finger to demand that these atrocities should cease and those responsible should be punished. As if lawlessness, murder, theft and plunder have been ingrained into the very heart and soul of the north.

Maybe it's too much to ask that the "citizens" of an illegally-declared state founded on ethnic cleansing and plunder should know the difference between right and wrong. Maybe they do all think that they are "innocent" and the "TRNC" is actually a state like any other rather than the kleptocracy it really is.

In the "TRNC" right is wrong and wrong is right. We know all about them in the free areas. They called their brutal invasion a "peace operation" and they call the theft of our land an "exchange". In the north, nothing that you think makes sense, actually does. It is an upside down world.

When T/Cs speak of their "rights", they mean the right to keep what they have stolen. This is the strange criminal world of the "TRNC". A pirate state founded on a war crime run by criminals and thieves whose "citizens" occupy stolen property and land and where everyone happens to be "innocent". Unbelievable...

[Viewpoint]

Similar to the USA and Australia in their infancy.

[BirKibrisli]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Attacking GCs, killing innocent people, burning down shops and homes, demanding the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, collaborating with the imperialists to deny to Cypriots their right to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, imposing on us by brute force and blackmail a racist constitution, refusing to even discuss changes to the racist undemocratic constitution you imposed, helping Turkey to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people, illegally occupying our lands for decades, selling off those lands to foreigners, importing illegal foreign Settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage, violating our human rights, violating international law ...

I am innocent of all of the above ... And so are 95% of Turkish Cypriots...

It's astonishing how all of these crimes have been committed in the north and continue to be committed right under your noses and yet no-one in the north lifts a finger to demand that these atrocities should cease and those responsible should be punished. As if lawlessness, murder, theft and plunder have been ingrained into the very heart and soul of the north.

Maybe it's too much to ask that the "citizens" of an illegally-declared state founded on ethnic cleansing and plunder should know the difference between right and wrong. Maybe they do all think that they are "innocent" and the "TRNC" is actually a state like any other rather than the kleptocracy it really is.

In the "TRNC" right is wrong and wrong is right. We know all about them in the free areas. They called their brutal invasion a "peace operation" and they call the theft of our land an "exchange". In the north, nothing that you think makes sense, actually does. It is an upside down world.

When T/Cs speak of their "rights", they mean the right to keep what they have stolen. This is the strange criminal world of the "TRNC". A pirate state founded on a war crime run by criminals and thieves whose "citizens" occupy stolen property and land and where everyone happens to be "innocent". Unbelievable...

When you admit to attempting to ethnically cleanse the TCs during 63-74,and stolen the RoC government from the TCs,you might have some right to feeling indignant...Until then,you are just another GC fanatic shooting his/her mouth off with the hope of scoring some propaganda points...It is like water off ducks back,till you own up to your crimes against the TCs...Fair enough???

[B25]

Deniz, lend me that gramaphone will ya. This birkturk keeps spouting the same BS about want apolgies and sorts FFS.

[BirKibrisli]

Deniz, lend me that gramaphone will ya. This birkturk keeps spouting the same BS about want apolgies and sorts FFS.

When you lot stop spouting bullshit about alledged TC crimes,I will stop rubbing your noses in your own shit...Fair enough?

[B25]

Deniz, lend me that gramaphone will ya. This birkturk keeps spouting the same BS about want apolgies and sorts FFS.

When you lot stop spouting bullshit about alledged TC crimes,I will stop rubbing your noses in your own shit...Fair enough?

Wet dream on matey, You need us, we don't need you. We will give you refuge and recognition, you give what???? So who is the one talking BS now.

We have EU, UN, Recognition, DF, DT, International voice, we could just stay as we are. What do you have? I'll tell you, a large Turkey Angouri up your arse. You need to get of your high horse and see the realities.

The TCs have brought upon themselves the ills they are currently feeling with the help of your motherland so don't go blaming us for your short comings.

Jesus, the cheek of some people, a?