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[Piratis]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Attacking GCs, killing innocent people, burning down shops and homes, demanding the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, collaborating with the imperialists to deny to Cypriots their right to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, imposing on us by brute force and blackmail a racist constitution, refusing to even discuss changes to the racist undemocratic constitution you imposed, helping Turkey to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people, illegally occupying our lands for decades, selling off those lands to foreigners, importing illegal foreign Settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage, violating our human rights, violating international law ...

[Viewpoint]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Attacking GCs, killing innocent people, burning down shops and homes, demanding the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, collaborating with the imperialists to deny to Cypriots their right to democratically decide the destiny of their own island, imposing on us by brute force and blackmail a racist constitution, refusing to even discuss changes to the racist undemocratic constitution you imposed, helping Turkey to ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocent people, illegally occupying our lands for decades, selling off those lands to foreigners, importing illegal foreign Settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage, violating our human rights, violating international law ...

Ho your enosis dream and the fallout.

[humanist]

halil

Burrows said his recent visit to Cyprus was important as it coincided with the Turkish Cypriots “rise up against being dominated and dependent on Turkey”.
“We talk about wanting to support a bi-zonal, bi-communal, federal solution to the Cyprus problem. The bi-communal bit means that there needs to be a Turkish Cypriot community able to stand on its own feet and not be wholly dependent on Turkey”.

halil, your community relies on Turkey because that is what your leader wants you to so. He has repeatedly claimed his a a Turk and his aim through these declarations and 2011 Enosis with Turkey.

Please explain to me how you can have a BBF in a democratic EU State by excluding 80% of the population who happened to have a different linguistic and religious background. ........ You cannot. Not in an EU model. So please explain to poor old me how you community will do this. And not be racists against the rest of Cypriots.

The only fair BBF that exists in the world is Quebec Canada, the province is run by mostly French Canadians, they have the right to exercise their language, religion and culture and at the same time everyone has the right to live where they want too, they have the right to access and do as they please with their property and is one person = one vote. You are claiming you are Turks and the only BBF you want is one where Anakara tells you what to do. We don't want this therefore there will be no solution in the Country any time soon.

I also wish to ad that I personally resent the fact that a majority of you cross the green line each day to work in the "so called land of the enemy".

[humanist]

Birkibrisli

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

All true and correct and I support your argument.

However, this is precisely what your representative is doing in 2011 to the rest of us. What you have said was then what I am pointing out is now. We need to leave all that behind and for Eroglu to decide whether he wants to be a Turk or a cypriot that is the essence of the issue right now.

[Viewpoint]

humanist can you stop them? being a what is it you claim a "democratic" state and that you represent the whole island and its people.

[humanist]

viewpoint am not sure what you are asking.

No I cannot stop them am one individual. A democracy for me means everyone is equal with equal rights freedom of movement and freedom of religious and linguistic practices.

[B25]

Birkibrisli

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

All true and correct and I support your argument.

However, this is precisely what your representative is doing in 2011 to the rest of us. What you have said was then what I am pointing out is now. We need to leave all that behind and for Eroglu to decide whether he wants to be a Turk or a cypriot that is the essence of the issue right now.

Andrea,

forget Birkturk, Eroglu will be whatever he is told to be. Is arse belongs to Turkey, they pay him he does what he's told. End of.

Any words uttered by that fool are not of his own but his masters.

[BirKibrisli]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Your crimes. Let's see:

1. You opposed the will of 82% of the country! Who the hell are you?
2. You refuse to acknowledge that 1960 was coerced. How stupid are you?
3. You refused to discuss the 63 ideas? You didn't. Turkey did & shut you up.
4. Enclaves. You did it to yourselves. Self-segregation the UNSG said. http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/was ... nal-t.html
5. Fighting coup leaders? You should have but won't hold it against you. You allowed Turkey to do what she did and for that I should want to see you burn in hell. Instead I will give you the option to negotiate your way back to the RoC. Study 1963 first: http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html
6. Not wanting to hear the word Turkish. You can believe your own crap if that makes you happy.

Read me more here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html
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Okey...We have established who you are...A fascist,fanatical GC propagandist...Next idiot please!

[bill cobbett]

What are our crimes,Piratis? Opposing Enosis with Greece??? Insisting that you stand by the agreements we signed to establish the RoC??? Refusing to accept Makarios' unilateral attempts to change the Constitution???Failing to lie down and die when you expelled us into enclaves???Not coming out to fight the coup leaders in 74??? Or is it daring to call ourselves Turkish Cypriots when you didnt want to hear the word 'Turkish"???

Your crimes. Let's see:

1. You opposed the will of 82% of the country! Who the hell are you?
2. You refuse to acknowledge that 1960 was coerced. How stupid are you?
3. You refused to discuss the 63 ideas? You didn't. Turkey did & shut you up.
4. Enclaves. You did it to yourselves. Self-segregation the UNSG said. http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/was ... nal-t.html
5. Fighting coup leaders? You should have but won't hold it against you. You allowed Turkey to do what she did and for that I should want to see you burn in hell. Instead I will give you the option to negotiate your way back to the RoC. Study 1963 first: http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html
6. Not wanting to hear the word Turkish. You can believe your own crap if that makes you happy.

Read me more here:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2011/01/to- ... heart.html
.

Okey...We have established who you are...A fascist,fanatical GC propagandist...Next idiot please!

Evening all..............WTF!!!!!! ............

[BirKibrisli]

You are a breath of fresh air,JackDoe...Don't you dare disappear now...We need you to tell us these things,because some people here are really believing their own propaganda...

...We need people like you to look at us here with fresh eyes,and tell us without fear or favour what we are doing wrong...

lord save cyprus from any more clueless, 'well-meaning' brits who think they know best.

Cyprus need saving from prejudiced bigots who think they are whiter than white...The Brits cannot do us any more harm,

they've done quite enough damage already, thanks.

but can help us by showing us where we are going wrong...Unless you happen to believe your side did nothing wrong,and you would do it all over again...That's an idea,Mal...Tell us what,if anything, you would do differently given another chance to go back to the 50s onwards....

can't speak for mal (although wot a star... wish he woz still around) but i wasn't around in the 50s. if i had been i'd have probably left the island 'cos it wouldn't have been a safe place for an outspoken, headstrong maverick like me. i'd like to think i'd have been far sighted enough not to get caught up in all the enosis fervour... however, having said that, cyprus at the time was too small, too strategic and too vulnerable to go it alone - and the eu hadn't been invented yet - so i can understand why the majority of cypriots wanted to attach themselves to a larger country with whom they felt most comfortable and safe. anything to get away from former colonialists.

Agreed about the British,they did enough damage...But it doesn't mean all should be condemned...There are intelligent British people with a strong social conscience who are interested in our plight,so we should not lock them out,imho...

I think I also agree with you that it wouldnt have been easy for a GC to get away from Enosis fever...Now you need to realise that it would've been even harder for a TC to get away from Taksim fever,once the Enosis fever was unleashed..

We must really stop blaming each other,Mala (I like that name so even if you are not him,do you mind me calling you that?)...And you must stop saying I am only trying to justify the events of 74...Nothing is further from the truth...We mustn't stifle dialogue before it even starts...Try to imagine this...If as you say,and I agree,that the majority of Cypriots wanted to attach themselves to a larger country they felt comfortable and safe with,what about the more vulnerable minority of Cypriots? didnt they have the need to attach themselves to a country they felt safe and comfortable with???

sure, but they attached themselves to former ruthless and exploitative colonialists from only a few decades previously. if u'd chosen... i dunno... switzerland or begium, then everything would have been cool.

Once you accept that,and stop blaming the TCs for aiding and abetting Turkey,we can start having a sensible dialogue...

sure, but the fact is, u did aid and abet a former despised colonialist... as well as the, at the time, incumbent one (ie britain).

Ordinary Cypriots are the victims of this saga,and until we see that and show some understanding,empathy and compassion for each other,we will be sitting ducks for anyone who wnats to keep us divided...

birk. problem is there are two main types of tc.

1. those descended from the ottomans, former colonialists. difficult for people to understand and empathise with former colonialists. cypriots aren't unique in this. and, in any event, turkey continues to colonise to this very day so u belong to a nation which continues to be culpable. see the problem?

2. those descended from locals who converted to islam to avoid taxation/persecution during the arduous years of ottoman rule; ie. those who turned their back on their history, traditions and belief systems for the sake of an easy life. again, difficult for people to understand and empathise with such a shallow group of turncoats lacking in conviction.

so that's the issue. tcs today need to stop bitching and wailing (or in the case of vp, behaving in a contemptible manner) and work REALLY, REALLY hard to earn some understanding, empathy and compassion; having some self respect would help.

those brave tcs who flew the flag of the republic at the recent demonstrations in the north had the right idea.

sure, but they attached themselves to former ruthless and exploitative colonialists from only a few decades previously. if u'd chosen... i dunno... switzerland or begium, then everything would have been cool.

I stopped reading just about here,Mala...You understand the need for GCs to attach temselves to Greece,but you wanted the TCs to attack themselves to switzerland or Belgium....or The Iceland or whatever...You are either taking the Mickey or you are totally lost in your deluded,prejudiced mind...There is not much point talking sense to you...