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[Get Real!]

Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

So the leaders of the two communities are not taking part in unification talks but rather in "liberation talks"?

Make that banana talks just so they can use up what’s left of 2011 and then the RoC takes over the EU presidency!

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I’m certain that Turkey will crumble once her EU accession process has officially terminated.

Do you really think that the EU and the USA can afford to terminate Turkey's EU accession talks so soon with whats going on in Libya, Iran, Iraq etc?

Don't you think that they'll at least wait till it's all settled down?

Why what can Turkey possibly do…. hold Gadaffi or Mubarak’s hand while they weep?

There will be major internal upheaval against Erdogan for failing miserably,

If it's true that the majority of Turks are disgruntled by the EU and are turning away from the accession idea, what makes you think that there will be a major upheaval against Erdogan?

The important region in Turkey is the wealthier west where Turks feel European and want to be European. Telling them that the dream is over and they now officially belong to Asia, is not going to go down well!

and a concurrent major shift in policy against her by Europe, and ultimately the US.

Sorry, but what you are saying sounds more like wishful thinking. Again, do you think that either the EU or the USA can afford to be hostile against Turkey when they need the bases in Turkey?

It’s very shortsighted to assume that Turkey can lose the historic opportunity to join the EU with no repercussions!

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"pressure is mounting"? On whom, Turkey or Cyprus?

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How long do you people think Erdogan will be tolerated with no more prospects for EU entry, and with his constant purges of people from the military, journalists, opposition figures, and so forth?

Something’s gotta give…

[humanist]

I am concluding from Turkish speaking Cypriot media that the TC's want unification and annexation to Turkey. The GC community is seeking a just, fair and democratic unification where all parts of the island are accessible by all without discrimination as the rest of the EU. The TC leadership and people want something very different therefore I doubt that there will be a solution in the near future.

The way to a solution is for Famagusta to open as per president Christofias recommendations. Turkey obeys EU regulations that it has signed and agreed too. This shows good will on the Turkish side. The working to rebuild Famagusta creates confidence. A BBF to be developed with freedom of movement and equal rights for all.

The Island dimilitarises completely because Turkey will join the EU because it recognises Cyprus as an EU member State, frees cyprus from its illegal occupation is seen by Europe as a peace loving Cpuntry adn becomes a member of EU.

[Piratis]

I've been reading this forum for some time now and have seen some posters claim "Divide and conquer"; "Kissinger"; "forced to sign 1960 agreement" etc.. etc... time and time again.

If you really believe this to be true then please answer the questions below.

Do any of you believe that:

a) unless the powers that got Cyprus into the trouble it's in in the first place will ever allow a solution unless it's in their favor?

b) it's up to Turkey to just up and leave and the island will simply unify henceforth without any incidence?

c) Turkey is just a puppet and will only leave when it's been told to at just the right time that suits the bigger players?

d) with what's going on in Egypt, Libya etc., Turkey's geographical position is more important than the unification of Cyprus?

sorry, jd. questions are bit too confusing... and poorly worded.

but to address the main thrust of ur query, until turkey's regime collapses, cyprus won't be liberated. but we're working on it... doubt it'll happen any time soon, but keep ur fingers crossed.

Seeing that everyone knows the story of Cyprus I was hoping that my questions would be understood without lengthy explanations.

It is claimed here and elsewhere that the first President of Cyprus was forced to sign an agreement that neither he not the Greek Cypriots agreed with.

It is also claimed that the UK, with the help of the USA, used the "divide and conquer" tactic to cause friction between the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots.

It is further claimed that Turkey invaded/intervened (call it what you want) with the blessing of the two countries mentioned above.

So, if that is the case, could it be that Turkey is just a puppet doing the dirty work for her "masters"?

Can Turkey pull out of Cyprus without their permission?

Is it possible that because of Turkey's geographical importance the above mentioned countries do not want a solution in Cyprus to please Turkey thus letting Turkey stay in North Cyprus for as long as it suits them?

If Turkey did pull out, would the two communities go back to the days when they used to live side by side without any ill feelings against each other or will the killings start again?

Turkey is not a puppet of anybody, but it is not a superpower either. If the Americans really wanted Turkey out of Cyprus they could have forced her out, but it wouldn't be as simple as just asking from them to leave.

Problem is that the Americans prefer the division. If the two communities were integrated then Cypriots would stop fighting each other and they would soon notice that two parts of our island are still under colonial rule. The British and the Americans want us to have bigger problems to deal with so we will not bother them with the bases (because we would fear that trying to force the bases out would result in USA/UK taking an even more pro Turkish stance)

For the Cyprus problem to be truly solved (i.e. Cyprus to be truly liberated), the balance of power should change in such a way that USA/UK and Turkey find themselves at opposite camps. Under such senario Cyprus could be liberated, and gain a decent level of freedom and independence (unlike the one forced on us in 1960).

Regarding what would happen if Turkey pulled out, this would depend on if she would pull out just militarily, or if she would totally give up any involvement in our island. But even in the best case scenario, there will still need to be some adjustment period. The TCs have been brainwashed for decades (since the 50s) that they are some super special kind of community that deserve disproportionally large amounts of power and even their own separate state on land stolen from us. It will take a while for them to get used to live peacefully as equal Cypriot citizens and realize that there is nothing special about their own ethnic minority, apart from the fact that they have been used by foreigners as the means and the excuse to divide Cyprus.

And to answer the question in the title of this thread: No. Cyprus will not be unified any time soon unless something dramatic and unpredictable happens.

[Get Real!]

Erdogan’s purge continues…

Euro Parliament expects clear answers about arrests, says MEP
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-07

For Turkish women the killing never stops
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-07

Will Europe’s “tolerance” of Turkey continue in 2012?

Don’t bet on it…

[BirKibrisli]

Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

How many mercenaries have you managed to round up,Tiberius (with a keyboard)???? I reckon you will need at least 5000 of them just to give YOU the courage to put on a uniform???

[BirKibrisli]

Erdogan’s purge continues…

Euro Parliament expects clear answers about arrests, says MEP
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-07

For Turkish women the killing never stops
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-03-07

Will Europe’s “tolerance” of Turkey continue in 2012?

Don’t bet on it…

I think you are onto something here,Tiberius...
Europe's tolerance will run out by the end of this year,and they will ask The UN to authorise NATO to start bombing Turkey into submission,and getting out of Cyprus...
But hang on...Turkey is a founding member of NATO and war on Turkey is a war on the USA and most of the European countries...Oh dear...what a dilemma!!!...You better get back to your mercenaries plan,baby...That has a better chance of working,bye the end of the year!

[Get Real!]

Do you believe Cyprus will unify any time soon?

Cyprus will never "unify" as there is nothing to unify, but a 100% liberation of her occupied territoty is quite likely by the end of this year.

How many mercenaries have you managed to round up,Tiberius (with a keyboard)???? I reckon you will need at least 5000 of them just to give YOU the courage to put on a uniform???

Just one… his name is Erdogan, and he will lead Turkey out of Cyprus without a drop of blood!