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[Kikapu]

These terms depend upon an East/West dichotomy, in which Cypriots see themselves (as well as educated, westernised Turks) as part of the West, and immigrants as part of an Orientalised East. This is expressed quite well in an interview with a 28-year- old female resident of Nicosia:

“I don’t want to put people down, but it’s mostly workers coming here from Turkey. Everything about them is bad – their clothes, the way they look at you. ... Anyway they don’t come from normal places, they mostly come from Hatay and the East. I don’t particularly like them. ... There’s always the same question: Why don’t you like Turks? Hey, I’m also a Turk! It’s not that we don’t like Türkiyeliler, it’s the people from Hatay and Mardin we don’t like”.

[BirKibrisli]

There is nothing new in this paper,Kikapu...Everybody here knows all about it...I have already congratulated our GC cousins on their pyrric victory...They managed to turn the TCs into Cyprus Turks...
They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

[Kikapu]

There is nothing new in this paper,Kikapu...Everybody here knows all about it...I have already congratulated our GC cousins on their pyrric victory...They managed to turn the TCs into Cyprus Turks...
They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

Well, lets not write the final chapter on the outcome of Cyprus yet, Bir. The settlers will not be allowed to become Cypriots/EU citizens, even in the off chance they were allowed to remain in Cyprus, which I very much doubt. But if they did, then the "weapon of choice" against them by the GCs/TCs combined (judging from the article I had posted on how the TCs feel about the settlers), will be an economic one. The settlers as non citizens of Cyprus will not be able to stand the economic hardship placed on them when everything starts to get expensive in the north where most will need to start paying rent to the owners of the property they now occupy, even if they will not be allowed to vacate the properties according to the ECHR. In time, they will face court actions to evict them, which many will just pack up and return back to Turkey, with perhaps some pocket money given to them by the new RoC for them to make a new start in their motherland, assuming Turkey will not take the initiative to handle her own people to bring them back home as she strives to become a EU member or a privileged partner.

[BirKibrisli]

There is nothing new in this paper,Kikapu...Everybody here knows all about it...I have already congratulated our GC cousins on their pyrric victory...They managed to turn the TCs into Cyprus Turks...
They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

Well, lets not write the final chapter on the outcome of Cyprus yet, Bir. The settlers will not be allowed to become Cypriots/EU citizens, even in the off chance they were allowed to remain in Cyprus, which I very much doubt. But if they did, then the "weapon of choice" against them by the GCs/TCs combined (judging from the article I had posted on how the TCs feel about the settlers), will be an economic one. The settlers as non citizens of Cyprus will not be able to stand the economic hardship placed on them when everything starts to get expensive in the north where most will need to start paying rent to the owners of the property they now occupy, even if they will not be allowed to vacate the properties according to the ECHR. In time, they will face court actions to evict them, which many will just pack up and return back to Turkey, with perhaps some pocket money given to them by the new RoC for them to make a new start in their motherland, assuming Turkey will not take the initiative to handle her own people to bring them back home as she strives to become a EU member or a privileged partner.

You put too much faith in the legal processes,both local and international,Dear Kikapu...What you forget is Cyprus has its own laws,its own reality,and these hardly match anything any westernised person can imagine...Not even Turkey will be able to get the settlers (pardon,Cyprus Turks!) out of Cyprus,and their sheer number will force the authorities in the TC constituent state to give them the right to vote...You also make the same mistake as our GC cousins and put too much faith in EU's persuading power over Turkey...We shall see,I hope...

[All4114All]

There is nothing new in this paper,Kikapu...Everybody here knows all about it...I have already congratulated our GC cousins on their pyrric victory...They managed to turn the TCs into Cyprus Turks...
They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

Well, lets not write the final chapter on the outcome of Cyprus yet, Bir. The settlers will not be allowed to become Cypriots/EU citizens, even in the off chance they were allowed to remain in Cyprus, which I very much doubt. But if they did, then the "weapon of choice" against them by the GCs/TCs combined (judging from the article I had posted on how the TCs feel about the settlers), will be an economic one. The settlers as non citizens of Cyprus will not be able to stand the economic hardship placed on them when everything starts to get expensive in the north where most will need to start paying rent to the owners of the property they now occupy, even if they will not be allowed to vacate the properties according to the ECHR. In time, they will face court actions to evict them, which many will just pack up and return back to Turkey, with perhaps some pocket money given to them by the new RoC for them to make a new start in their motherland, assuming Turkey will not take the initiative to handle her own people to bring them back home as she strives to become a EU member or a privileged partner.

You put too much faith in the legal processes,both local and international,Dear Kikapu...What you forget is Cyprus has its own laws,its own reality,and these hardly match anything any westernised person can imagine...Not even Turkey will be able to get the settlers (pardon,Cyprus Turks!) out of Cyprus,and their sheer number will force the authorities in the TC constituent state to give them the right to vote...You also make the same mistake as our GC cousins and put too much faith in EU's persuading power over Turkey...We shall see,I hope...

I will ask the question to both of you, if there was a unification can the mainland Turks apply for asylum in Cyprus? (A loop hole if you like to see it that way)

Under the UN as a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their;

race
religion
nationality
membership of a particular social group
political opinion.

If mainland Turks say they fear to go back because of political opinon or has this been discussed?

[BirKibrisli]

There is nothing new in this paper,Kikapu...Everybody here knows all about it...I have already congratulated our GC cousins on their pyrric victory...They managed to turn the TCs into Cyprus Turks...
They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

Well, lets not write the final chapter on the outcome of Cyprus yet, Bir. The settlers will not be allowed to become Cypriots/EU citizens, even in the off chance they were allowed to remain in Cyprus, which I very much doubt. But if they did, then the "weapon of choice" against them by the GCs/TCs combined (judging from the article I had posted on how the TCs feel about the settlers), will be an economic one. The settlers as non citizens of Cyprus will not be able to stand the economic hardship placed on them when everything starts to get expensive in the north where most will need to start paying rent to the owners of the property they now occupy, even if they will not be allowed to vacate the properties according to the ECHR. In time, they will face court actions to evict them, which many will just pack up and return back to Turkey, with perhaps some pocket money given to them by the new RoC for them to make a new start in their motherland, assuming Turkey will not take the initiative to handle her own people to bring them back home as she strives to become a EU member or a privileged partner.

You put too much faith in the legal processes,both local and international,Dear Kikapu...What you forget is Cyprus has its own laws,its own reality,and these hardly match anything any westernised person can imagine...Not even Turkey will be able to get the settlers (pardon,Cyprus Turks!) out of Cyprus,and their sheer number will force the authorities in the TC constituent state to give them the right to vote...You also make the same mistake as our GC cousins and put too much faith in EU's persuading power over Turkey...We shall see,I hope...

I will ask the question to both of you, if there was a unification can the mainland Turks apply for asylum in Cyprus? (A loop hole if you like to see it that way)

Under the UN as a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their;

race
religion
nationality
membership of a particular social group
political opinion.

If mainland Turks say they fear to go back because of political opinon or has this been discussed?

I do not remember this discussed,All4one...
It is a very good question though...I don't have the answer...Kikapu or others might be able to help...

But I think their best chance would be under 'humanitarian considerations'...If they are born in Cyprus,married to TCs,or have children born in Cyprus,and have been gainfully employed in Cyprus for a long time,and if dislocation would cause them financial and emotional hardship,I doubt they can be removed...

[Get Real!]

If mainland Turks say they fear to go back because of political opinon or has this been discussed?

Sounds like a Turkish joke...

Btw, you should PRAY that illegal settlers are repatriated back to Turkey if TCs are to have a chance within the Republic.

[Hermes]

I will ask the question to both of you, if there was a unification can the mainland Turks apply for asylum in Cyprus? (A loop hole if you like to see it that way)

Under the UN as a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their;

race
religion
nationality
membership of a particular social group
political opinion.

If mainland Turks say they fear to go back because of political opinon or has this been discussed?

What about the well-founded fear of getting their heads kicked in if they don't go back to Turkey?

[boulio]

They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

i rea a comment of yours again along these lines in a other thread.Why would the ROC have to share anything with turks?

IF THE roc reject the plan or plans status quo remains or even if the north gets recognition(which is highly doubtful)either way the roc is intact within the UN and EU.

[BirKibrisli]

They didn't want to share power with 120,000 TCs...Now they will have to share power with 600,000 Cyprus Turks...It is too late to turn the clock back...It is all over...The GCs have won!

i rea a comment of yours again along these lines in a other thread.Why would the ROC have to share anything with turks?

IF THE roc reject the plan or plans status quo remains or even if the north gets recognition(which is highly doubtful)either way the roc is intact within the UN and EU.

That's what I mean,bulio...You can't lose...Enjoy your victory...You have no more TCs to kick around any more!