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[boomerang]

you don't need me begging for turkey joining the eu...turkey is doing exceptionally well...

so i gather by your silence, supepower status is on hold douche?...

Where did I say Turkey will be the next superpower???
You are talking through your arse again,rockspider...

you know douche bag the severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the ability to reach it....i think it pretty well sums the way you spout your incoherent ravings...

In other words,you have no bloody idea what I am talking about...

douche bag only god knows what the hell you are talking about these days with your lunatistic ravings...

if you are talking about china...forget it...not a match for the europeans combined with the yanks...

get a hold of a doco titled "europe the most productive continent" on the planet...there is a reason as to why europe has and is where it is today...and no other continent will ever come close...

for starters china can't even come close to germany with a lesser population and land mass...

something tells me you have been reading too many fairy tales...

[BirKibrisli]

you don't need me begging for turkey joining the eu...turkey is doing exceptionally well...

so i gather by your silence, supepower status is on hold douche?...

Where did I say Turkey will be the next superpower???
You are talking through your arse again,rockspider...

you know douche bag the severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the ability to reach it....i think it pretty well sums the way you spout your incoherent ravings...

In other words,you have no bloody idea what I am talking about...

douche bag only god knows what the hell you are talking about these days with your lunatistic ravings...

if you are talking about china...forget it...not a match for the europeans combined with the yanks...

get a hold of a doco titled "europe the most productive continent" on the planet...there is a reason as to why europe has and is where it is today...and no other continent will ever come close...

for starters china can't even come close to germany with a lesser population and land mass...

something tells me you have been reading too many fairy tales...

Whatever!!!

[Nikitas]

Bir above said that being tough on TCs is vote winner in Turkey.

Well in Turkey it might be, but there is a fine line which Turkey is walking on this. If the international media shows enough trouble in the north and violent incidents then Turkey will find itself in a very strange situation. An EU candidate oprressing a community it claims to be protecting. The irony of TCs fleeing to the south to avoid Turkish persecution will not be lost on the West. IT will give an excellent excuse for France, Germany and Austria to press for rejection of membership.

The TCs are finally waking up, it only took 36 years but it is happening. Under an EU system they can see that they can have everything they ever dreamed of provided that they can get rid of Turkey. THe so called protection is no longer necessary. Being choked off by the importation of colonists has reached its limit.

THe mystery is how they could not see that the GCs went through the exact same process with Greece in 1974. How could they have thought that their "motherland" would be any different. They even had Erdoghan say it in the usual cynical Turkish way: "what if TCs leave, we have plenty of people to pu there to replace those that leave". I you could not understand this message, given on live TV, then you need to re examine your situation.

The most poignant indicator of the awakeing of the TCs were the RoC flags in the demos. Finally the TCs seem to realise that the RoC is important, a survial tool for BOTH communities, not just the GCs. Without the status of a state we are both lost, relegated forever to insignificant "communities".

[BirKibrisli]

Bir above said that being tough on TCs is vote winner in Turkey.

Well in Turkey it might be, but there is a fine line which Turkey is walking on this. If the international media shows enough trouble in the north and violent incidents then Turkey will find itself in a very strange situation. An EU candidate oprressing a community it claims to be protecting. The irony of TCs fleeing to the south to avoid Turkish persecution will not be lost on the West. IT will give an excellent excuse for France, Germany and Austria to press for rejection of membership.

The TCs are finally waking up, it only took 36 years but it is happening. Under an EU system they can see that they can have everything they ever dreamed of provided that they can get rid of Turkey. THe so called protection is no longer necessary. Being choked off by the importation of colonists has reached its limit.

THe mystery is how they could not see that the GCs went through the exact same process with Greece in 1974. How could they have thought that their "motherland" would be any different. They even had Erdoghan say it in the usual cynical Turkish way: "what if TCs leave, we have plenty of people to pu there to replace those that leave". I you could not understand this message, given on live TV, then you need to re examine your situation.

The most poignant indicator of the awakeing of the TCs were the RoC flags in the demos. Finally the TCs seem to realise that the RoC is important, a survial tool for BOTH communities, not just the GCs. Without the status of a state we are both lost, relegated forever to insignificant "communities".

The damage control has already began,Nikitas...The world will never see again the TCs waving RoC flags,or waving banners criticising Turkey...We saw it because we were looking for it...The flags and the banners were not allowed into the Square,what we saw was the attempt of one small section to make their point ,which was stifled at the beginning...The Jasmine movement was started by Zeki Besiktepeli,and helped along by Sener Levent and his AFRIKA team...At the last presidential elections they won a bit over 1% of the total votes...I do not see many TCs moving to the South and making a spectacle of it for the world to see...If Levent and his associates,media savy people,don't do it,nobody will...Call me a pessimist if you like,but I have given up on the situation...The fanatic nationalists have won,all the other Cypriots have lost big time...Cyprus will never be united,because we will never agree on what is just,fair, and sensible...

[Nikitas]

Bir,

History has a way of suprising us all. I am no optimist in the sense that I do not expect a fully worked out agreement to come about soon. But things often take unexpected turns. It is a sure bet that the young TCs who go south every day see that they were sold a bill of goods. The south is definitely NOT a Greek colony, they will not see thousands of mainland Greeks, not even as tourists. In fact the Greek tourism to Cyprus amounts to a mere 150 000 visitors annually, a lot less than go to Istanbul. This will not be lost on the TCs who are forced to cohabit with settlers.

It will only be a matter of time before the inevitable question arises in TC minds, why only them, why not us too. It looks like the question was asked for the first time last month and the logical progression from there is simple. Sure, TCs are now in a minority in the north, but as Cypriots they are the majority on the island. The next step is to raise this point where it counts.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir,

History has a way of suprising us all. I am no optimist in the sense that I do not expect a fully worked out agreement to come about soon. But things often take unexpected turns. It is a sure bet that the young TCs who go south every day see that they were sold a bill of goods. The south is definitely NOT a Greek colony, they will not see thousands of mainland Greeks, not even as tourists. In fact the Greek tourism to Cyprus amounts to a mere 150 000 visitors annually, a lot less than go to Istanbul. This will not be lost on the TCs who are forced to cohabit with settlers.

It will only be a matter of time before the inevitable question arises in TC minds, why only them, why not us too. It looks like the question was asked for the first time last month and the logical progression from there is simple. Sure, TCs are now in a minority in the north, but as Cypriots they are the majority on the island. The next step is to raise this point where it counts.

You too are underestimating the trauma the TCs went through during the 50s and 60s,Nikitas...I am not saying that to blame anyone. I accept that at the time wanting to have Enosis with Greece was not an unreasonable desire...But you really underestimated the stregth of the opposition amongst the TCs,and the cunningness and ability of the British to exploit the issue...True the young TCs havent been exposed to those tormenting years but don't forget the collective TC consciesness...I am also disappointed in the youth of today generally...They are mostly technorobots,totally at the mercy of the lifestyle trends they are sold by the popular internet media and social networking sites...The young TCs are more 'Turkish' than their parents due to the heavy exposure to Turkish pop culture...They are not capable of any serious protest against the establishment...The sting is already gone out of the recent protests,anyway...Now that Erdogan realised the TCs can play politics as well as he can,he is back to offering carrots in the form of Water-to-be-ducked from Turkey! It is back to 'Cyprus is the apple of our eye' 'nothing will damage the bond...' etc...

[Get Real!]

Bir above said that being tough on TCs is vote winner in Turkey.

Well in Turkey it might be, but there is a fine line which Turkey is walking on this. If the international media shows enough trouble in the north and violent incidents then Turkey will find itself in a very strange situation. An EU candidate oprressing a community it claims to be protecting. The irony of TCs fleeing to the south to avoid Turkish persecution will not be lost on the West. IT will give an excellent excuse for France, Germany and Austria to press for rejection of membership.

The TCs are finally waking up, it only took 36 years but it is happening. Under an EU system they can see that they can have everything they ever dreamed of provided that they can get rid of Turkey. THe so called protection is no longer necessary. Being choked off by the importation of colonists has reached its limit.

THe mystery is how they could not see that the GCs went through the exact same process with Greece in 1974. How could they have thought that their "motherland" would be any different. They even had Erdoghan say it in the usual cynical Turkish way: "what if TCs leave, we have plenty of people to pu there to replace those that leave". I you could not understand this message, given on live TV, then you need to re examine your situation.

The most poignant indicator of the awakeing of the TCs were the RoC flags in the demos. Finally the TCs seem to realise that the RoC is important, a survial tool for BOTH communities, not just the GCs. Without the status of a state we are both lost, relegated forever to insignificant "communities".

Good post Nikitas...

[bill cobbett]

Bir,

History has a way of suprising us all. I am no optimist in the sense that I do not expect a fully worked out agreement to come about soon. But things often take unexpected turns. It is a sure bet that the young TCs who go south every day see that they were sold a bill of goods. The south is definitely NOT a Greek colony, they will not see thousands of mainland Greeks, not even as tourists. In fact the Greek tourism to Cyprus amounts to a mere 150 000 visitors annually, a lot less than go to Istanbul. This will not be lost on the TCs who are forced to cohabit with settlers.

It will only be a matter of time before the inevitable question arises in TC minds, why only them, why not us too. It looks like the question was asked for the first time last month and the logical progression from there is simple. Sure, TCs are now in a minority in the north, but as Cypriots they are the majority on the island. The next step is to raise this point where it counts.

You too are underestimating the trauma the TCs went through during the 50s and 60s,Nikitas...I am not saying that to blame anyone. I accept that at the time wanting to have Enosis with Greece was not an unreasonable desire...But you really underestimated the stregth of the opposition amongst the TCs,and the cunningness and ability of the British to exploit the issue...True the young TCs havent been exposed to those tormenting years but don't forget the collective TC consciesness...I am also disappointed in the youth of today generally...They are mostly technorobots,totally at the mercy of the lifestyle trends they are sold by the popular internet media and social networking sites...The young TCs are more 'Turkish' than their parents due to the heavy exposure to Turkish pop culture...They are not capable of any serious protest against the establishment...The sting is already gone out of the recent protests,anyway...Now that Erdogan realised the TCs can play politics as well as he can,he is back to offering carrots in the form of Water-to-be-ducked from Turkey! It is back to 'Cyprus is the apple of our eye' 'nothing will damage the bond...' etc...

Er Bir .... let's not be premature, .... let's wait and see what effect the salary and pension cuts and all those redundancies have on the CYs living in the Occupied Areas.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir,

History has a way of suprising us all. I am no optimist in the sense that I do not expect a fully worked out agreement to come about soon. But things often take unexpected turns. It is a sure bet that the young TCs who go south every day see that they were sold a bill of goods. The south is definitely NOT a Greek colony, they will not see thousands of mainland Greeks, not even as tourists. In fact the Greek tourism to Cyprus amounts to a mere 150 000 visitors annually, a lot less than go to Istanbul. This will not be lost on the TCs who are forced to cohabit with settlers.

It will only be a matter of time before the inevitable question arises in TC minds, why only them, why not us too. It looks like the question was asked for the first time last month and the logical progression from there is simple. Sure, TCs are now in a minority in the north, but as Cypriots they are the majority on the island. The next step is to raise this point where it counts.

You too are underestimating the trauma the TCs went through during the 50s and 60s,Nikitas...I am not saying that to blame anyone. I accept that at the time wanting to have Enosis with Greece was not an unreasonable desire...But you really underestimated the stregth of the opposition amongst the TCs,and the cunningness and ability of the British to exploit the issue...True the young TCs havent been exposed to those tormenting years but don't forget the collective TC consciesness...I am also disappointed in the youth of today generally...They are mostly technorobots,totally at the mercy of the lifestyle trends they are sold by the popular internet media and social networking sites...The young TCs are more 'Turkish' than their parents due to the heavy exposure to Turkish pop culture...They are not capable of any serious protest against the establishment...The sting is already gone out of the recent protests,anyway...Now that Erdogan realised the TCs can play politics as well as he can,he is back to offering carrots in the form of Water-to-be-ducked from Turkey! It is back to 'Cyprus is the apple of our eye' 'nothing will damage the bond...' etc...

Er Bir .... let's not be premature, .... let's wait and see what effect the salary and pension cuts and all those redundancies have on the CYs living in the Occupied Areas.

Okey,Bill,lets wait...We don't have much choice anyway...
BTW, thanks for the use of 'Cypriots'...it is a nice change from Ottoman Remnants...

[Hermes]

Er Bir .... let's not be premature, .... let's wait and see what effect the salary and pension cuts and all those redundancies have on the CYs living in the Occupied Areas.

As I understand it, the "law courts" in the occupied areas are on permanent strike so there literally is no justice in the "TRNC". Some schools are still closed and Turkey has been give a deadline by the protest organisers of March 15 to withdraw the austerity package or face further protests (I assume these are the planned protests for Brussels).

All a bit tame by north African standards but these are the T/Cs we're talking about...